It's been a know problem since they hijacked the ISO comitee. That was years ago.
I wonder how intentional that is. Like, I can imagine it simply being the result of the nightmarish way stuff gets done at huge companies like MS. But I can also imagine it being shenanigans by scumbags.
It's nok like MS hasn't actively sabotaged efforts for the open standards, followed up by subtly mess up their own conformity. As long as MS Office is considered a requirement, alternatives will be explicitly forbidden because of "the formating gets messed up if you use OpenOffice". When the truth is it is MS Office that introduces the issues.
Very intentional. My recollection is that they hijacked the ISO committee to adopt their 6,000 page specification(!). This 2008 article briefly touches on some of the controversy, but I recall reading about the drama on Slashdot for months: https://www.ip-watch.org/2008/04/01/office-open-xml-officially-approved-as-international-standard/
Only way this is getting sorted is if the EU force them to release proper documentation.
Don't think can happen, but governments can enforce OpenDocument usage. If enforced for companies interacting with the government, they might just fully switch rather than use the two, with cascading effects.
The docx and xlsx formats are still soo much better than it was during the Word Perfect days. You had to pay so much attention to which version of each program you were using to transfer a file.
Yeah both those docs are basically a zip file with an xml metadata file and everything else as other ingestible data. While still shitty when its proprietary, definitely way better than the wild binary formats of old
I still have a bunch of these files sitting in my cloud and have to do the work to spin up old coreldraw versions in a VM just because I feel like preserving them as a hobby:
Hah. Silicon era "in my day we had to walk to the fountain for water uphill both ways". I see you, brother Old.
I should get WordPerfect 5.1 running in a DOSBox. The bluescreen nostalgia is a thing.
On topic, I'm surprised this is news now. It feels like it's been a commonly accepted fact since the 90s. I don't know what the conversation is supposed to do. If Google hasn't been able to reverse this with an actually competitive alterantive I'm not sure the open source nerd community is going to make much of a dent.
Of course if it was up to Google there'd be no file format at all, you'd just have documents live in their servers, pay for the right to store them and never have an offline file to access beyond printing a PDF.
As a side note, I care less about format compatibility, but I would really appreciate it if LibreOffice switched the default text to white when opening a xls in dark mode. Doesn't seem like it'd need Microsoft support for that one.
I feel like it is news because when Microsoft first announced the docx formats it was supposed to be a more open format compared to the binary ones of the past, but in the end they are back to their old tricks.
In the end? When they bribed the ISO into making OOXML a standard, what Office actually saved was incompatible with that standard on day one.
OOXML becoming an ISO standard was entirely to undermine the development of OpenDocument as an open standard. If they hadn't done that, governments asking for open standards might have required OpenDocument. Now, since OOXML is an open standard, they're immune from that even if they never bothered to implement that standard correctly.
But that was twenty years ago (again, I see you brother Old), and we all pretty much noticed immediately that all it did was cut out all the other software that could more or less deal with the old doc and xls stuff. In fact the switch to the X formats was one of MS's usual slow transitions. A whole lot of people stuck to the old ones for a very long time for that exact reason until MS started cutting feature compatibility more aggressively.
It's "news" in a geological sense, I suppose, but unless I missed a quiet refresh of Office's proprietary formats I would say it's a stretch otherwise.
The format isn't static, and new versions of the standard have been released throughout the years. There are also separate definitions for each "app" - document, presentation and workbook.
The latest update however was for documents, v4 having been released in 2016, so 9 years ago. For presentations and workbook, the latest update was 14 years ago.
So yeah, we all figured that what MS was doing was mostly for show a long time ago, but it's not like this is recent news at all...
I suppose it ties into the whole win11 migration hubbub, I expect they have a bunch of people trying out their software and wondering why the ms compat is sh*t.
I guess? The whole "Office is a big blocker for Linux migration" is a thing, particularly over here. Still, far from being a new thing. I'm not even sure that LibreOffice calling it out officially is a new thing.
Being ruthless like gates was in 90s
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux/LibreOffice, is in fact, GNU/Linux/LibreOffice, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux plus LibreOffice.
Go away this is needless noise and didn't add any value to anyone
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