Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel : usa

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago

I really can't understand why everyone is so upset with her. She's done everyone a massive favour and shown her hand. There's no way in the future she can pretend to be "right on" while really being controlled opposition.

She has, by her own hand, alienated a generation of young voters who will never trust her again.

She has done more in one vote and a shit half-arsed explanation than a multitude of leftists trying to convince people of what she really is for several years!

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 5 days ago

We do not give clemency for those who show their hand, they will get sent to the mines all the same.

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I didn't say she should be shown any clemency. She let the mask slip. Every leftist now is....

And theres this..... https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-israeli-startup-entrepreneurs-played-roles-in-rise-of-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca 16 points 6 days ago

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities

Totally wouldn't want warmongering genociders to be undefended, and maybe, slightly accountable for their war crimes.

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca 13 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I agree. Not having any defensive capabilities against nations that they attacked first is a good deterrent against them attacking everyone around them.

Also, why was my comment removed? I thought it was a good discussion point.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

It was removed because it was genocidal apologia

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca 2 points 6 days ago

I simply highlighted what AOC said, as OP highlighted himself in their post. Might as well delete the post in that case. Sheesh.

And go take a look at my post/comment history. You'll soon find out that I staunchly support Gaza and Palestine and am very critical of Israel.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

You did also describe the headline as "incindary" and contrasted it was what you said was "the important part": AOCs apologist statement. This might have been unintended, but it did make it easy to get the impression that you were agreeing with her apologia.

And I'm glad to hear you support Gaza, but unfortunately I have all to frequently encountered people who will claim to oppose the Gaza genocide, and then turn around and defend the people actively supporting and facilitating it, so it can be hard to tell.

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago

That counts as genocide apologism????

It's a bit much. This kind of moderation doesn't even give any chance for discussions. The comment didn't get down voted in the negative and other users have made other comments to talk about it and made really good points.

I understand you don't want any genocide apologists in your community, which is good, but c'mon. Let people have some doubts.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

We get far too many genocide-defending pissrael posters from other instances to be lenient towards them. Pretty much every site besides a few leftist ones like ours lets them set up shop and run wild.

We refuse to give genocide and genocide apologia a platform here.

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca 4 points 5 days ago

Oh shit! A reply from the big man himself! It's an honour. :)

I completely understand. It's best to nip any genocide apologist comment or users right in the bud. There's no room for that shit.

It's just that in this case, I thought AOC might have voted against this bill because there were other parts of it that she staunchly disagreed with that was a big important issue so she had no choice. But, then later on she went on X and spoke about being in favour of providing ammunition for the Israeli Iron dome so that Israel can defend itself from rocket attacks. She basically claimed that this was to reduce further deaths in this conflict.

I can understand the logic, but frankly, Israel needs to be in a defenseless position so it can stop attacking everyone else in the region, or face real dangerous consequences. It's a deterrent for them to stop their attacks.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Totally agree. She's been consistent in her support for Israel over the years, so it's been annoying seeing ppl defend her most recent vote.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

What obvious disingenuous excuse making. And you can tell it's bullshit because this kind of reasoning has never been used in any other place and will never be used again: you do not see AOC advocating to send "defensive" weapons to Iran or Russia, for example, or Gaza for that matter. So if we take her seriously we can only conclude that she actively supports adding to the death count or innocent civilians everywhere except Israel.

So either way, her actions are evil

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Other important bits are that Israel already gets $3.3 billion a year for security. This would have blocked $500 million for the “iron dome”…which could easily be funded with what they are already blowing on offensive measures. Fuck MTG, but AOC is wrong on this.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

"The untermensch won't exterminate themselves"

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

She refused AIPAC money, so she is doing it for free

[+] XeroxCool@lemmy.world -9 points 5 days ago

She voted against the amendment, not for the bill then? Because she wants a greater reduction of support for Israel? Interesting presentation of the situation to get a bunch of single-issue voters to continue splitting the not-conservative half of the spectrum.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago

Why did she vote against the amendment if she wanted that? Makes no sense.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

Because agreeing to an amendment means you're satisfied with the bill as a whole with those included changes. This isn't "yes, and"

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

So all the other progressives voted yes on the bill?

[-] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

single issue voter gingle sissue boter

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