You see, AI increases productivity SO much that you need to work twice as long as those non-AI troglodytes, and we'll fire your ass the second you finish training this model that will replace you! Isn't it a wonderful opportunity? INNOVATION™!!!
Funny how the astronomical increases in productivity since the industrial revolution never translated into more pay for less work unless workers violently agitated for it.
9am to 9pm, 6 days a week, nothx
I'd say that's more than controversial. It's inhumane and should be outlawed worldwide. That's more closer to Japanese "work yourself to death" kinda work culture than anything else. There's a reason, from what I understand, that basically nobody, besides the bosses implementing this kinda policy, likes it.
What I think is funny is that Japan's GDP per capita is less than half of that of the US, and Japanese productivity per work hour is also less than half of the US. In other words, Japanese business culture is all smoke and mirrors- it's everyone performing for each other to appear to be working harder than everyone else but they're actually less effective at generating economic growth than countries that don't have this kind of work culture. This shit doesn't work- we have data showing it doesn't. Bosses like it because they're obsessed with the appearance of productivity rather than the real thing because in spite of what all the data says, it feels like having half the workers work double the amount of time will let you get the same amount of stuff done even when that isn't what the data says.
It's going to hurt these companies. There is a special vibe when your workplace is entirely staffed by people who hate their lives. It is not an environment conducive to creativity or dedication. Long hours don't make you more productive.
When I think my employer is mistreating me, I drag my feet, I engage in malicious compliance, I always decline to make the extra effort. If I see a problem somewhere that needs to be reported, actually no I didn't. I'm the opposite when I feel rested, respected, and autonomous.
The PG factory I used to work at had 12 hour shifts. Everyone hates it. You get no time to do things outside of work on days that you work. Most people ate 2 of their meals at work. There was a high turnover rate for shift employees.
Yeah, I've worked temp factory jobs that were 12 hour shifts, 3 days on, 4 off, 4 on, 3 off, ... Not 6 days/week though. It also seems stupid for software engineers, at least. Personally, my output craters when I work long hours. I'd probably get less work done on 996 than a regular 40 hour week. In the past, I've been in the fortunate position where I could just make my own hours, and I'm pretty sure I got about the same amount of work done doing 6 hour days as 8 hour days.
Edit: Growing up my dad did 12 hour shifts 5 days/week, and 8 hours on Saturdays. Dunno how he did it, but financially needed to.
In highschool, I did 12/5 noon-midnight for 2 summers at a corrugated plastic pipe factory.
It was grueling and hot and soul-crushingly monotonous. Have you ever listened to commercial top 40 radio for 12 hours next to >200F(100C) equipment? If I never hear Sting's Desert Rose again, it will still be too soon. Or smell Dale's chain-smoked vantage cigarettes (3.5 packs a shift, we made sure the fan was always in his direction).
The output was steady, so it was also punishing to human events like hunger or toilet breaks.
I can't imagine doing it 6 days. As it was, I never saw friends, barely held a relationship, etc.
You were in a corrugated plastic pipe factory and the cigarettes were an issue? Damn. You would think the VOC off-gassing from hot plastic would break you first...
Yeah, I can still smell the place in my memory. Proustian.
I mostly worked on the "highway" line. 12 inch diameter by 10ft lengths, with drilled holes, wrapped with a fiberglass filter and packed in a bag. It was a 2 person task that has probably been more automated now. Those Vantage cigarettes man, they were really gross (and cheap) and he never took a step without one in his mouth. Lit one from the other, burning 2 at once, etc. You know, I'm probably the same age he was now.
The fun part was watching the 4ft diameter double-wall line go at the same time. That shit failed about 50% of the time so we were always cutting it up on the giant bandsaw to feed into the industrial grinder.
Ah, and that reminds me of working the coil lines. Giant bails of 3, 4, 6in. When we'd get bad runs, we'd splice them out, then feed the sometimes 50+ foot length into the grinder and run the fuck away because the other end would whip around. Workplace safety and all.
Can't believe my parents thought that was a good way to spend my summers. I'm sure they thought it would pay for college like their summer jobs did. All for about $3/hr over minimum wage. At least I got overtime too. Lifers like Dale (or was it Dan) had worked themselves up to a bit over triple minimum wage, or $16/hr. Lol, what benefits? This was a Christian Reformed (Calvinist) run business.
How the fuck can anyone think that's sustainable?
Very sustainable in an authoritarian regime.
Not even then, long term. Birth rates in China and Japan are really bad in part because of toxic work cultures like this. If you spend all your waking hours at work you can't go out and meet a partner to start a family with. It's just a practical problem. If you're at work 12 hours a day and sleep 8 hours a day you have 1-2 hours in the morning to get ready and go to work and 1-3 hours at night to go home and get ready for bed. You do get a day off, but you're probably so exhausted on that day off you don't want to go anywhere. There is simply no time to go meet a romantic partner if you're working that much.
Work Reform
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.