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[-] Zier@fedia.io 2 points 11 hours ago

Can you hear me now?

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The methodology sounds bizarrely complex to me for the purposes of establishing comparative information transfer rate.

Wouldn't just timing how long it takes to communicate a controlled set of information answer that?

I'm confused by the concept of establishing an average "bitrate per syllable" and multiplying that through. Is this trying to address cases where language constructs DEMAND additional information be encoded in speech? Can one not construct a set of information intended to be communicated that could account for those quirks? Find some "lowest common denominator" sentences?

I feel like I'm missing something and I'm very curious about what my faulty assumption is

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago

Can one not construct a set of information intended to be communicated that could account for those quirks? Find some “lowest common denominator” sentences?

I think this would require deeper knowledge of all 17 languages in question, and be a potential source of errors - for example, if you include some info in the set that is easier/harder to convey succinctly in one language than in the other languages.

In the meantime, it's easy to get good averages for bits/syllable and syllables/second, even if you don't know the languages in question.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I agree there would be challenges around information selectively. I expect Runasimmi can speak more "quickly" "efficiently" about labour-based taxation in the form of terraced plateaus growing cocoa than Inuktitut, but would find itself in deep contrast in the opposite direction speaking of the ice flo route and the associated ice quality a polar bear took hunting a seal.

Also, just because a syllable "encodes more bits on average" does it imply faster transmission rate? Just because French encodes gender information into it's language and syllables, isn't knowing the gender of a shovel at best "check bits?" Used for detecting transmission errors but not intrinsically critical data?

I'm not a linguist. I'm barely a scientist. I'm fascinated by the assertion that it's easy to establish "bits per second" on syllables having somehow abstracted away social context. I'm not saying you're wrong or they're wrong, just that this rubs my naive intuitions exactly the wrong way... Which speaks more to the quality of my intuitions (apparently quite bad) rather than the real science by people actually in the field.

[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 13 hours ago

The article is from 2019. I was wondering because my impression was that was pretty old news and common knowledge by now.

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