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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Switching from Microsoft Windows to Linux is one of the best decision I ever made.

Thank you to the thousands of Debian volunteers. You are amazing people ❤️

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 17 points 4 months ago

Gnome finally has fractional scaling in this one, for anyone wondering.

[-] FlorisJan@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 4 months ago

Does this mean it will run properly on systems with multiple, different resolution, displays?

[-] dan@upvote.au 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Should work as long as you're using Wayland. It works great for me in Fedora, and I assume Debian will have all the latest parts now too.

[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

i know people usually are like, “oh cool new features”

but this has a security patch that will literally unblock my pipelines at work lol 🎉

[-] shrugs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?

[-] chrash0@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

i don’t know the full nature of the exploit, but zlib has an exploitable integer overflow via the MiniZip project. even though our images don’t use that project.

https://github.com/madler/zlib/issues/868

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 12 points 4 months ago

Speaking of debian - anyone here running debian testing as a daily driver? I really enjoy debian as a kind of "default" Linux but the rare updates and the need to upgrade the whole system when a major update hits annoys me, so rolling release feels better, but I'm worried Debian Testing is unstable? But I've heard it's not so bad? Anyone got any opinion on that?

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

Debian Testing is unstable?

Naw, Debian Unstable is unstable. /s

Jokes aside, I don't think I'd use Debian as a daily driver for desktop Linux, and I really like Debian. Now, for a server? Debian all day erry day. But as soon as a GUI is needed, I'm gonna look to another distro. For context though, that's mainly because my daily driver needs to be gaming capable, and I have a very recent GPU. Debian 13 has Mesa 25.0, but 25.1 and 25.2 have fixes that keep some of the games I play from crapping out.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah, if you really want a taste of Debian desktop, LMDE is probably where I'd start.

[-] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

Yep, been driving it for like 2 years on my study laptops. Only ever ran into a single issue that made the laptop unusable which was Tailscale DNS conflicting with the system's DNS (been a while so don't remember the exact details).

If you don't need the latest stuff, aren't doing anything needing the latest drivers and don't really mess around with the shipped packages, it's excellent for just working and being reliable.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

I like it for desktop, but for me XFCE is all I need. I figure I want to mostly focus on the application I'm using not the Window Manager. I click the icon, application opens and I do stuff, and occassionally run apt update && apt upgrade and kinda forget the OS is even there.

With games I tend to have more issues with older games becoming broken after awhile than with new games not working because the OS is old. Only problems I've had with new games is because I had a computer that was >10 years old and eventually the hardware couldn't run new games anymore. But then I mostly play strategy games and base builder games, so maybe that's why I don't have a lot of issues there.

Debian is the best OS for people that don't want to think about the OS.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So what distro do you use? I definitely am also including gaming in the considerations.

[-] Sunny@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

Juat wanted to chip in and say that PikaOS is a gaming specific OS based on Debian Testing. Been running it the last couple of months and been enjoying the heck out of it! https://wiki.pika-os.com/en/home

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

It's sometimes unstable. But sometimes it's mostly stable.

testing, stable, oldstable, etc are pointers to named branches (named after Toy Story characters BTW). Unstable is also a pointer but it always points to sid (the neighbour kid that breaks the toys).

Testing isn't a rolling release. Yesterday testing pointed to trixie. Today stable points to trixie (because testing was completed and trixie has been "released") and testing now points to forky which is a new branch that is basically a copy of unstable. They'll do testing on forky and fix things and eventually stable will be pointed at forky (which will be Debian 14) and they'll make a new testing branch called something else.

It's an odd thing to call things "released" on a project that's done openly. Debian 13 was just released today, but you can install what will be Debian 14 right now long before it's released by installing forky. You can also contribute to their testing by submitting bug reports. But if you do install forky (testing) today, don't be too disappointed if there's a bunch of things broken because it's the same as unstable right now. It will get more reliable as things are fixed and eventually be considered as stable. When Debian 14 is "released" you won't need to upgrade anything if you're on forky because you'll have already been on it for a year or more.

But yeah, unstable is unstable, it's just somewhere people can chuck packages on and experiment. Things will break there. Testing is testing, it's there if you want to help out with testing. And stable is stable, you get that if you want something reliable and you don't want to mess around with software occasionally breaking and having to track down what broke and submit bug reports.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago

I have been running testing for years on most (except production servers or as i like to call them: Computers with a job) of my machines including desktop and gaming pc.

It works fine, BUT there will be times when something is not as it should (one recent example was some wayland related glitches, but nothing really bad), or you buy new hardware and need the latest graphics drives that are not even in testing yet.

It's perfectly viable to use AND you get to help make debian better with the occational bug report/additional info.

[-] stsquad@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

I daily drive Debian and I switched to Trixie once the tooling freeze kicked in. Now the release is stable I'll be able to enable backports for the few bits and pieces I like to have the latest packages for. Generally I want a rock solid base and I can always use flatpak/snap for more recent apps.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Speaking of debian - anyone here running debian testing as a daily driver?

I do, though usually not early in the release cycle. Normally I use stable, then pull the occasional thing in from testing if I want it and it's not in stable, and switch to testing if there's a bunch of stuff I want.

Right now, I'm on stable because trixie just went stable.

[-] dangrousperson@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

I've been running sid (unstable) on my htpc for almost a year now without any problems (wanted Debian, because that's what I know, but also wanted HDR support, which came with plasma 6, wichich was only in sid). Just as stable as Bookworm so far (anecdotally).

I've actually been thinking of moving my main desktop from mint Debian edition over to sid as well.

Sid is even one step more unstable then testing, so testing should be no problem either

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago

Not me, i just use Stable Debian.
I only Put Debian Stable on Computers I will rarely use. I wouldn't use Debian on a Gaming pc, I would prefer a rolling release (Arch based) Or fix release every 6 months

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 4 months ago

On a gaming PC, what arch distro would you use?

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 months ago
[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I used to, and the going wisdom there is to point it to the name of the next release, then once it releases, wait for the first point release before repeating with the next release.

The reasoning here is that once there's a new release, there's a ton of churn on testing as people pull in packages from unstable, so that's the time of the most breakage. So wait a bit for things to stabilize after a major release.

[-] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Daily driver here. Stable for servers, testing for workstations.

Debian Testing isn't as stable as Stable, but has been far more reliable than anyone else's desktop releases. I'm also not a fan of Fedora and others' policy of ending support on the day of a new release.

If for some reason you decide to hold back on an upgrade of Testing, you've still got five years of patch support coming. And if I do want to live on the bleeding edge, there's always Sid (also called Unstable). That's where you'll run into the kind of instability you can expect from a rolling release.

My favorite will probably always be Gentoo, but I don't always have time for that hobby.

[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, since 2000 I've always had a laptop with -testing. I'm just a user, but a user who wholly enjoyed the early days of Gentoo, overnight compiles and all.

I still fly on Windows. MSFS and IL Stormvik used to be my favorites, x-plane works on Linux just fine now. For the past 5 years I've been all Elite: Dangerous. E:D works with some fiddling under Linux but the helper programs are probably a real PITA. No drivers for the eye tracker at all (not Linux devs fault)

Understand, I don't edit images and if the doc doesn't work in libre I fire up a virtual machine and do the little dance to get the form or whatever filled out and then back to the real world. VM only connects to the internet for updates, never comms.

All of my important stuff happens on Linux or now Calyx on my pixel. Fuck MS, fuck apple and fuuuuuuck Larry Ellison for what he did to Sun

[-] Zier@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

Debian is releasing a Trixie Mattel edition? Is it all pink? How fun!

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

You mean Tracey Martell? 🤭

[-] Zier@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago

Yes, the Tracey Special Edition, with glitter included.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Trixie from Toy Story. Debian's releases are always toy story characters

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[-] Netrunner@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

Been running SID forever on my servers. Thank you Debian for being my rock.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Sorry, but 403GB?

That’s a lot of space for an OS, isn’t it?

[-] pelya@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

10 GB storage for default installation, 4 GB storage for commandline-only installation, 403 GB storage if you install every Debian package under the sun.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

Ahhhhh, ok.

Wild… I think I might try to get my OS that big one day just for kicks

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 4 months ago

I doubt it's possible to have them all installed and have a functioning system anyway

[-] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

Don't knock it 'til you try it!

sudo apt install * -y

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Bonus points is you run a fork bomb in parallel and see how far you get. Throw an egg on your heat sink for fun.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There are some packages that aren't compatible, that are alternatives that do the same thing, so apt won't let you install them at the same time.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's how much space the whole of Debian takes up. Every package for every supported architecture. Not sure if it includes the space taken by the installation ISOs too.

A bare minimum installation of Debian (meaning just command-line with a minimal number of programs) is probably around 1GB or so? They recommend at least 4GB space for a server install and 10GB for a desktop.

[-] morto@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

I find it a surprisingly low value. I can store all the current debian packages in my storage media at home, that's crazy! FOSS really tends to be lean and efficient.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

How do you mean low value? I definitely see value in being able to have every package available offline in certain settings.

Maybe you got a cabin with a sick (single player) gaming setup but no internet (I dunno I’m spitballin’) and you want to do some updates.

Pack up a drive with everything possible and make it happen!

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I just looked, 11G on my laptop's /

Standard productivity stuff, I think the only extra thing is a flatpack of google earth which is 1.5G

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah and I know one of my laptops only has a 250GB drive.

I thought it was a typo at first, but it was explained. I get it now :)

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Hell yeah, i love Debian, its such a Great and Powerful OS.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Great and Powerful OS.

loved this

[-] soyboy77@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Noob here. My last distro was Zorin (which I liked well enough). Keen to switch to Debian base. Should I jump in and install vanilla Debian or wait for Mint Debian 7? Or should I believe the DistroWatch hype and go for MX?

Would prefer Xfce environment because I'll be running it on 8+ yo laptop and and desktop.

[-] thecoffeehobbit@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

Get base Debian, you'll have more options for desktop environment. Once you get past the installation hassle it should just work for the rest of times. MX has its place but it's specifically made to have no systemd which may not be something a new user is looking for. It feels very opinionated, is what I'm trying to say. May be your thing of course, but I'd recommend reading more on its philosophy before picking.

8 years is probably not old enough to require lighter desktops if the machines were at least mid range at the time. You should be able to use gnome or KDE as you please. Nothing against XFCE in principle, but it can be a little clunky especially for a laptop. No touch gestures, for example.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago

Update day! YES!

[-] FourThirteen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Debian is my favorite distro. I've used it for years.

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