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The urge to be alienated from your own craft (he had a tehcnical background at some point) and then justify it because you "dont have time" to code anymore (gee whizz maybe pick a different job dipass) is infuriating.

He's just typing in a request and the code changes before his eyes -- he isnt doing any fucking coding!!! He's using a chatbox to request an entity changes the code!!! we already do that dorkshit!!! and we hallucinate bullshit too!!!

Look I know that capitalists will always align to automation over workers, but this isn't that. This is a man who is genuinely convinced he is an active participant in the programming process despite occupying a role no different to the one he does already, only with faster results in the specific demos he creates.

Capitalism has turned its central contradiction -- alienation, into a fucking product that people want.

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[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

This is very normal now

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago

Every CTO I've ever known has been a complete dipshit

[-] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

I think a lot of the time they're engineers who think they're too good for engineering. Imagine being too arrogant to be an engineer, one of the most arrogant professions in my experience.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

Like engineer engineer? Or software “engineer “?

[-] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Honestly both. Though there is something about coding that seems to attract or create a specific sense of superiority. Unless you're talking about train engineers, the few I've met have been really cool. This is all based purely on my experience but I've worked in engineering all of my adult life.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

software engineers are insufferable for the most part though

[-] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I had a great CTO and the things that made him great (expertise with the platform, genuinely collaborative brainstorming, respect for teams’ autonomy) were gradually torn away via restructuring and “accountability” measures. Upper management can’t stand any sort of informal or horizontal structures producing good results because it invalidates there need for their existence.

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 23 hours ago

Someone that is actually competent at hard to buy skills also becomes a liability for them. A healthy organization would use them to skill up their workforce. Capitalism looks for a way to make them unnecessary.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I saw a great retort today on AI programming gospel: ask the program to vibe debug. Not just take a streaming pile of broken code and turn it into something operational, accurately document what was wrong with the code and the steps taken to address each problem. Exceedingly narrow chance it will.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 15 hours ago

Especially true because it can't use a debugger.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

if i use arcane knowledge of some data structures to get an LLM to make some scripts to work with those data structures in a programming language i don't know any syntax for to interface with tools i barely know how to use, and running those scripts produces a tangible result that's valuable to some people...

idk i simultaneously feel like i did something and didn't do anything because 15 years ago i probably had the mental faculties to learn a new language and some open-source software with a horrible ui but depression has rotted my brain and i can't do that anymore. I'm also probably the only english speaker who knows anything about about those data structures who isn't under some NDA so the downsteam results couldn't happen without me. But i didn't write any of the code, just roughly explained the logic to a scrabble bag.

[-] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

"Behold my works ye mighty and despair"

-guy who never lifted even one brick in his life

[-] Monstertruckenjoyer@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

that post earlier of a middle management guy going delusions because of the AI blowing smoke up his ass might be a view of the future.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

dipass

i-cant

No excuse to be ablest when you can say shit like this

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

i'm not looking it up but there's probably some 100+ year old etymological reason dipass is actually ableist and only four living people knew until somebody reads this comment and tells the rest of us.

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

me, learning that "Goober" is probably racist in origin sadness

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 2 points 19 hours ago

huh i only know that from the folk song about peanuts.

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago

Nguba being the Kongo word for peanut - enslaved Africans growing peanuts called them Nguba, which the slave owners morphed into "Goober", doubling as slang for a stupid person (as they viewed the enslaved).

[-] homhom9000@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

This is what I hate about the AI push especially in companies with tech teams. We're not doing coding you're telling us to use software and we brag to our clients about how great we are at using the software. If we built our own models that would be tight but we're just using someone elses tools.

[-] tricerotops@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

I think this is probably the way coding is going to go, assuming the economics of the whole thing works out. Which it might not. But I don't think you can just type some bullshit in the chat box and expect it to be any good.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

for not very complicated things the prompt is pseudo code and as people want to make it more reliably do more complicated things the complexity of the prompts required will escalate into something that more closely resembles a programming language.

and it'll still fuck up like a buggy compiler that nobody can fix.

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