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Follow-up video to https://lemmy.world/post/32690521


Spoiler alert: the main reason he says the experience "hasn't been great" is because shortly before posting the video his Linux install mysteriously broke and he had no idea why. Therefore, he recommended dual-booting Windows just in case.

Cue sea of comments explaining that the reason for the error he was getting was that Windows screwed up his bootloader (i.e. the problem was caused by dual-booting to begin with, LOL).

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The other two main TL;DWs are that:

  • He justifiably complained about PVP games having non-Linux-compatible kernel-level anti-cheat.

  • His benchmark testing showed a big performance difference between Windows and Linux on his system, which has an AMD Radeon 7900 XTX. Being an admitted noob, he didn't notice that it was an unusual discrepancy and figured that worse gaming performance in Linux was "real," but a bunch of folks in the comments are telling him that RDNA 3 drivers have a known issue that means the card probably isn't running at full power and tweaking the settings can probably fix it.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

tweaking the settings can probably fix it.

Which is another points against Linux. Stuff should work correctly out of the box. That's what average user expects.

[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 41 points 2 weeks ago

Stuff should work correctly out of the box.

That's why Windows isn't ready for mass adoption

[-] Zikeji@programming.dev 18 points 2 weeks ago

I helped my mom with her windows install when the update half a year ago nuked keyboard support (I had to use the onscreen keyboard just to login). Before thar I had to forcefully install the correct wifi driver as well to get it working properly. This is was running from their factory installation. Stuff working correctly out of the box is a problem on both platforms.

[-] glog78@digitalcourage.social 16 points 2 weeks ago

@TheBat @grue how do you define not working correctly ? ...

the GFX Card booted
the GFX Card rendered the desktop
the GFX Card rendered Games

... the only issue it wasn't as fast as possible ...
-> solution on windows -> you report and get a new driver or you get a new driver cause you don't know that you don't have the max performance
-> solution on linux -> you report and get a new driver or you get a new driver cause you don't know that you don't have the max performance

^^^ where is the difference ?

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 weeks ago

Its not the fault of linux that the hardware manufacturer doesnt make functioning drivers tho...

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it is.

For the end user, if one platform has driver support and the other one doesn't, then one platform works and the other one does not.

"It's not my bug" is a thing engineers get to say to close issues on their backlog, but it doesn't magically fix the problem for the end user if the other side says the same thing (or doesn't care).

If you want people to use Linux, then Linux has to work, and that includes the third party drivers.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago

The user perceiving it as such, doesnt make it so. It makes a difference because if you acknowledge and make visible that it is AMDs fault, then they will be more likely to fix their shitty driver. Over all linux does have much better hardware support than windows, but with newer hardware the vendors are just oddly slow sometimes.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

It does make it so.

I get so tired of shouting this from the rooftops in the general direction of FOSS devs and advocates. UX is the only thing that matters. If the user can't use it, it doesn't exist.

No, Linux doesn't have "much better hardware support than Windows". It is harder to set up and maintain, so it's worse. It doesn't matter if you can make it work. It doesn't matter if you can make things work that don't work on Windows. If I plug it in and it doesn't go, then it's worse.

This doesn't make me mad because I want to defend Windows, this makes me mad because I really, REALLY want Linux to do well, along with other FOSS alternatives to enshittified commercial software, and this is an absolute brick wall blocker for that. I don't know how FOSS spaces take away control from whiny engineers who think the current situation is functional, but somebody needs a UX equivalent of a Linus Torvalds shouting abuse at coworkers about how garbage their UX is (that everybody finds hilarious for some reason. Maybe the next step is getting some HR).

[-] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, Linux doesn’t have “much better hardware support than Windows”. It is harder to set up and maintain, so it’s worse. It doesn’t matter if you can make it work. It doesn’t matter if you can make things work that don’t work on Windows. If I plug it in and it doesn’t go, then it’s worse.

Meanwhile all five generations of GCN are varying levels of abandoned officially on Windows while Mesa supports AMD cards going back to GCN1, and even more recently started to enable AMDGPU support by default on GCN1 and 2.

But yeah, as for Windows having better support, GCN1-3 are long since buried officially for that OS, and Polaris and Vega have a foot in the grave at this point as they're curtailed to security updates only officially on Windows, contrasted against Mesa still actively supporting that older hardware. Also, can't emulate RT on RX 5000-series and older cards on Windows, while you can on Linux.

And yes, I'm aware of R.ID modded drivers for those older cards in Windows, but for this context, I'm only counting official driver support.

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It is harder to set up and maintain

Its really not tho. Have you installed Windows 11 to a PC? Shit takes forever to remove all the ads, garbage and AI features. You literally have to edit the registry to get a usable system. Installing a popular linux distro takes like 5 minutes and then you just install whatever software you need. Any normal consumer device you plug in just works out of the box, no need to install drivers that are then again filled with bloat, ads and often even malicious code or vulnerabilities. Like ffs sake Windows 11 doesnt even function at all on a good portion of desktop computers in use today because of the TPM requirement.

Just last weekend i helped someone that never used linux before to switch. The actual install took less than 5 minutes. GPU drivers come preinstalled with the distro and work out of the box. Then another 30 minutes or so of installing and setting up all the programs they need. Another 30 minutes to copy all their old files over and explaining some general differences and thats it. Literally zero tinkering required and they are happily playing their steam games at peak performance.

Ofcourse you can get unlucky with your hardware which then involves a very annoying amount of tinkering, but when the baseline on windows is already fuckloads of tinkering then having to do tinkering sometimes is not at all a bad trade off.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You're right that it's Linux's problem, but that doesn't mean it's Linux's fault.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

Sure. No argument from me here.

That's just life, though. You so very often have to solve problems someone else created that get in your way but not theirs.

[-] Wfh@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh yeah because spending half a day manually downloading and installing a zillion drivers and their bloat and rebooting between each install is peak ootb-functionality.

Meanwhile I was in CP2077 literally 5 minutes after booting a fresh install of Bazzite. On the exact same computer.

Cringe.

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[-] Zikeji@programming.dev 22 points 2 weeks ago

To your first comment about incompatible anticheat - in must cases it's a conscious decision the publisher makes. Are We Anti-Cheat Yet it's a good resource. Personally I find my OS preventing me from being able to run a privacy invading rootkit to be a pro as well.

To the second comment, a good amount of games bench better on Linux, not sure what's going on with his system so I agree.

Definitely unfortunate to see a creator publishing content without first doing some research but that's more and my common nowadays.

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 17 points 2 weeks ago

This YouTuber in particular does indeed just frequently throw out statements without properly checking whether they are even true at all.

[-] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a big problem with this guy for sure, but also he’s usually pretty good at admitting when he’s wrong and calling himself out on it. I wonder if he’ll look into this again to get some clarity.

[-] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago

He justifiably complained about PVP games having non-Linux-compatible kernel-level anti-cheat.

I'm tired of people conflating gaming as a whole to extremely mainstream titles that fit into "online PVP with malware anti-cheat" such as Apex Legends, Valorant, and Battlefield, and then bashing Linux for "poor gaming experience".

Their experience with titles they enjoy is very valid, as valid as any other, but it's not the entirety of gaming and OS experience, at all. There's tons of games that run extremely well on Linux, even out of the box, no tinkering required, both on Nvidia and AMD hardware.

Grrr.

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[-] july@leminal.space 24 points 2 weeks ago

average tech youtuber not knowing anything about tech

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Hey, at least he's up-front about it and didn't type in yes, do as I say! like Other Linus did.

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[-] Malix@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's not an unreasonable to think that a backup os is a good thing to have, even if in this case it's the one (most likely) being the reason Bazzite broke.

Now, I did listen to the video on my way to work, so I might have missed some details, but after checking the comments it seems like Jay's performance wasn't really where it should have been. Got to wonder if there's some funky gotcha with the gpu module or proton settings.

Also, does Bazzite default to xorg or wayland? I honestly have no idea.

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You can just have a thumbdrive with another linux distro and live boot with that. There really isn't a need to have another os permanently installed.

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

It's Wayland only, I'm pretty sure.

[-] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

I’ve been gaming on Linux on both Deck and Desktop for a while now and I like it, but I also have to admit that it’s not without issues. Thanks to Steam and Proton, most games really do “just work”, but some, especially non-Steam games or related tools like launchers, plugin/mod managers can cause issues and may need more effort to get running, which can be difficult for people with little Linux experience. I also recognise that not everyone wants to have to deal with that and I think that’s fair. And I get the impression that many Linux gamers underestimate their own skills and how much the average non-tech person would have to learn to be able to have a similarly good experience.

Updates can also just break games. I’s happened to me with Trackmania when the stupid Ubisoft launcher suddenly wouldn’t work anymore, or Blizzard games like World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2, which started having graphical issues. Slay the Spire, after a patch, always launched on the wrong screen and refused to let me move it to the primary one.

Disclaimer: I’m on a non-gaming focused, but popular distro (Fedora).

[-] moody@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago

Slay the Spire in particular has a Linux native version. You shouldn't have any issues with that.

[-] Dequei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

I had a problem with dualbooting windows because i always have to shutdown it using shift+shutdown, because windows kidnaps my ssd and hdd.

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Also had issues with dual booting until I removed the Linux drives when installing Windows to make sure the boot partition was created on a separate drive.
Zero issues since.

Biggest downside is Windows always rebooting after updates, and if I don't sit there, it boots back into Linux as it's the first option in Grub.

At least now I have the option to fire up Windows when I can't solve something in Mint.

[-] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Biggest downside is Windows always rebooting after updates, and if I don't sit there, it boots back into Linux as it's the first option in Grub.

This is why I edited Grub to not timeout and instead wait for me to make a selection.

Can be done by running

sudo vim /etc/default/grub

Can also use nano or some other editor than vim too.

And changing GRUB_TIMEOUT=X to GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1 or a larger value to give you more time if you prefer to have it timeout eventually. -1 disables the countdown to auto select entirely.

And then run

update-grub

To have the changes confirmed.

I do this because I use Windows about half and Linux the other half so letting me make my decision works best for me.

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[-] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I had this issue on my media pc which I wanted to be booting into mint, but grub would throw it to windows on reboots which made it super unreliable. Finally found how to edit grub (really wish there was a simple ui for it but it must be pain, I guess). Hope it helps.

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks mate, but the only way to fix it would be to have Windows as the prio boot OS, which just hurts too much hehe.

I'd rather sit and wait and choose it manually after updating.

[-] EldenLord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

channel name JayzTwoCents

look inside

tfw opinions aren‘t even worth a penny

[-] who@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Thank you for including the spoiler. This tech vlogger's irresponsible headline would normally have earned a downvote from me.

[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

I unsubbed from that channel. Every title is clickbait. I'm not going to watch a video that is like "this is a game changer", no idea what it's about, no idea if it's relevant.

[-] Agility0971@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

What do you think the problem is? Grub is present so windows update cannot be the culprit on this one. Initramfs works, but the root partition is not found. Both the primary and fallback. A broken update sequence? Would be nice to get the logs

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[-] dontmindmehere@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

the idea that you can just jump to linux with zero research needs to go

  • no you can't have every game and program you're used to
  • no you can't translate windows or mac knowledge
  • yes you have to know what partitions, desktop environments, distros, and other bunch of terms mean
  • yes you may have to type terminal commands (no one complains about ipconfig when figuring out whether it's ISP or DNS problem)
  • yes there are a bunch of shit tutorials online with copy-paste commands that don't work
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[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

I do a lot of sailing and none of the installers work on Linux. 100% windows and sometimes they have Mac versions.

So, I need a windows machine to do some work and transfer the installed game to my Linux machines.

The amount of work necessary is not conducive to the chill gamer lifestyle I have cultivated for 40+ years.

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

There are Linux repacks too

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[-] ISolox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

As someone who games on Fedora as my main OS, we need to stop pretending that Linux gaming is all sunshine and rainbows.

Yes, fuck Windows, and it probably did fuck his boot loader, but it doesn't invalidate his other poor experiences he had with the OS.

Hell, I don't think that even that was necessarily an invalid experience just because it was caused by Windows. Dual booting is a thing people have to do, especially if they want to play the games that just don't work on Linux. Even if you don't like the games personally, they are huge and a lot of people want to play them. Even my main Linux group dual booted recently to play the BF6 beta.

Being elitist and calling people stupid because they had a bad experience will do nothing but hurt Linux gaming. Instead of calling JayzTwoCents stupid because he dual booted for a valid reason, explain alternatives that he could have done to prevent the issue. If we want to grow as a community, we need to provide actual helpful feedback, not by being toxic.

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