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It feel like we’re losing to Google, day by day. They aren’t killing AOSP directly, but they are making it useless step by step.

Now it’s Google Play Services, Play Integrity checks, installation source checks… more and more apps just refuse to run without GMS. Banking apps? Most of them don’t work. And it’s only getting worse. I run vanilla AOSP on my main profile, no Play Services. I keep GMS only in my work profile for the apps that absolutely need it. But now even some regular apps that don't need any play services won’t work on my main profile anymore. They simply block your from running , like le chat.

Maps is google's most important app there is no way to run without play services. Sure we can use webview or gmaps wv, but they don't provide turn-by-turn directions. Earlier maps used to work without play services, but two years ago, an update stopped it from working. Now that old version is out of date and no longer works.

Google is slowly making GMS very important to run. The problem with GMS is they require to run as system app and has to have all the permissions by default.

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

If we keep going on like this, AOSP can only run fdroid apps in the future.

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[-] sudoku@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago

There are a million maps apps, even google itself has two (Waze). Banking is easily accessible thru a web browser. Also, rooting your phone gives you ability to fake a lot of the requirements to make stubborn apps run.

[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My bank is accessible via web only if I authorize the login with the iOS or Android app - there are no alternatives.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What is a good alternative that actually does navigation and searches on places as well as gmaps? I've been using OsmAnd and it's absolutely dogshit compared to it. Even the navigation, the arguably most important part, is pretty bad.

Edit: actually spent some time looking again, and CoMaps does this quite well. This is replacing OsmAnd+ for me.

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

And I have the oppositie experience. I find gmaps routing much too agressive. Agree on the search issue.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not sure what you mean by "aggressive routing"?

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Gmaps often tries to be clever and recommends you to go off the main road onto some smaller one. This might be ok in USA but where I live its annoying at best. OsmAnd is much better in this regard.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm in Scandinavia and haven't had issues with gmaps routing. The routing of OsmAnd is fine, but the navigation visualization is insanely bad, when you turn your phone horizontal they fill the whole screen with basically useless blank bars both at the top and bottom instead of just showing the map and turn-by-turn instructions in a corner like gmaps. That combined with the less than useless searching (if you don't know the specific address of a place you're pretty much SOoL) makes it really bad IME.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

if you don’t know the specific address of a place you’re pretty much SOoL

Look the address up and put it into the map app...problem solved.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Yes but that's the nuisance you don't want with an application specifically made to make navigation easier. I want good simple workflows, not shitty clunky workarounds.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Switching to FOSS/private alternatives is full of compromises. Considering this one takes about 10 seconds out of my life and is literally how all navigation worked before smartphones and learned helplessness, I think it's well worth the trade-off.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago

Yeah i disagree that FOSS should be given extra slack just because...

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[-] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Co maps is mostly garbage for places. Is missing my Wegmans for fucks sake 🤣

Just a heads up for your continued testing.

[-] berty@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Go ahead and contribute places you are missing to openstreetmaps.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know what Wegmans is, but all the places I've tested so far was found, even small local artisanal shops in the town I live in.

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[-] infjarchninja@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I only use Lineage and have done so for years without any problems since CyanogenMod 10.1.

Do remember that it is the choice of the developers to use google services and nothing to do with google.

When you say "Le Chat", do you mean Mistral AI assistant/chatbot? Its probably stopped working since GPT‑5.

Currently it is not possible to run "Le Chat" ai on a phone without google,

Again its the devopers choice. They could develop a non-google Le Chat.

who on earth needs a chatbot on a phone?

I have never have any problems finding open source alternative apps.

MAPS: Comaps, Organic Maps and MagicEarth, all provide Turn by Turn navigation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn-by-turn_navigation

I dont use any Banking Apps. Why do you need a banking app? I login to my bank in the comfort and safety of my home.

Lineage:

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

If you must use google try E/OS. It Uses MicroG and works very well.

microG is a FLOSS implementation of Google play services

https://doc.e.foundation/

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[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, stop using shitty googol.

[-] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

There is microg which can replace GMS. But we really need an alternative, not based on some company's shit.

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Write to your representatives.

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