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Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Next Putin will claim Alaska used to be Russian, and should be handed back.

[-] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

And trump would give it to him after some fake posturing.

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

There's some nutjobs in the Duma who have already said that. Though this should be taken the same way as when some nutjob in the US House says something. Probably nothing will come of it, but occasionally, it does.

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago

Actually, Lenin invented the United States in the first place, so their entire country is historically part of Russia /s

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 months ago

Doesn’t much matter, Zelensky has already said that’s a non-starter and their constitution forbids it anyway.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Got a translated source? That’d be a really interesting constitution

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago

In rejecting Mr. Trump’s proposal, Mr. Zelensky invoked Ukraine’s Constitution, which states that the Ukrainian territory is indivisible and inviolable. “The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the Constitution of Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “No one will step back from this, nor will anyone be able to.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/09/world/europe/zelensky-trump-ukraine-russia.html

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[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't seem to remember anyone other than Trump appointing Trump the lead deal negotiator for this, people would be losing their brains of Xi Jinping or Kier Starmer randomly started saying they were negotiating a ceasfire between Russia and Ukraine, Trump starts trying to do and it's all "sure let's give him a crack at it" regardless of the ridiculous outcomes of his meetings with either Putin or Zelinsky.. I've seen toddlers with better negotiating skills than this demented fool

[-] iglou@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Let's also not forget that the only reason he is even trying to negotiate and put an end to the war is trying to get the nobel peace prize.

Piece of shit. The US really outdid themselves reelecting that asshole.

[-] Klear@quokk.au 1 points 4 months ago

I think it might be more of an Epstein situation here.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

Trump is willing to sell out Ukraine and carve up its carcass as long as he gets a piece of the action.

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Child raping fucktard

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 months ago

Oh so we negotiate with and reward terrorists now? Because they aren't going to stop here any more than they stopped with Crimea.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

“negotiate”

It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

That's the dementia. At this point he is increasingly acting senile.

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

Yup. If you had Trump's ear for a few minutes, he is incredibly easy to manipulate.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago

who the fuck does he think he is to "negotiate" ceding someone else's territory? (I'm not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.

[-] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

I like how you call him a sock puppet. It's a perfect analogy since his other use is to be Putin's cum sock.

[-] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.

Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

To be fair, appeasement worked quite well in the 1930s...

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

So I think I missed something? Why is Trump thinking he has a say in this?

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

He's a self important blowhard with delusons of adaquacy. That's really all there is to it.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Since if Ukraine don't listen, US will cut off military aid.

Which unfortunately, Ukraine need since no one else can provide the numbers and TACO would likely even block EU and AU from buying US weapons if they were intended for Ukraine.

Meanwhile he's giving away Alaska to Putin.

It was obvious three days ago, but it's painfully obvious now why Trump has initiated quasi martial law in DC.

[-] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

would he really refuse to sell something?!

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

The important thing to remember is that Putin said Trump won the 2020 election though. Why is everyone so focused on this "Ukraine" thing?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is the age of information overload. There is just too much to keep up with, and media can't help themselves chasing trends so the algos actually hit them.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Okay, well, the last time I made this joke it came true, so I'm going to throw some salt over my shoulder after I say it, but how about instead of that, we just give Russia about 20,000 square miles of Alaska. We can start with the entirety of the Aleutian Island chain (about 6,800 sq. miles), and then work out some chunk of the mainland for the rest. That seems reasonable.

And if that does come true, then by God I'm going to go out and buy a lottery ticket.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago

It ain't his tho?

This is like selling someone else's car to a third party.

[-] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but he wouldn't be the rapist that he is if he understood no means no.

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[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This’ll be the second time they’ve taken territory from Ukraine and gotten away with it. They’ll probably take Belarus once that dictator dies, and they’ll eventually take Moldova since they already control part of it. They’ll keep trying to take all of Ukraine until it happens.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Belarus is already taken. Fully.

It benefits Russia to keep Belarus as a phoney, pretend sovereign state because its another vote and voice in international matters, it lends legitimacy to their arguments when they're at a stage like the UN and fighting with whomever, to have a bunch of warlord states voting alongside them.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 1 points 4 months ago

Without any guarantees for peace, like joining NATO, any peace agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on. Putin will demand such things won't happen and Trump will immediately agree.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago

Makes sense. Draw a north south line from moscow and the parts of ukraine west of it become russia while the parts of russia east of it become ukraine. Would provide a nice buffer for the nordic countries and help belarus to rethink its way of life.

[-] MBech@feddit.dk 0 points 4 months ago

I think you're looking at that compass the wrong way.

Anywho, isn't it against the ukrainian constitution to give up land?

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

lol. yes I did have it reversed. I meant for ukraine to get saint petersburg.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Zelenskyy says NO. So does EU

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[-] Kinperor@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago

I've done some superficial researches but I couldn't find anything: does anyone know what the morale is like in the regions that voted to join the Russian federation ? I only found out recently that there was a referendum held in the regions almost immediately by Russia. Stop. I know you want to call these referendum a sham, but this isn't the question here. Russia is going to operate as though they aren't a sham and no one has the power to stop them at the moment, so what I'm asking is "what is going on in these regions".

I can't find the article I initially found on the matter, but apparently civilian areas were being shelled by Ukraine during the vote period.

I'm not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don't even want to be part of Ukraine.

[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Why do you think that referendum being a sham doesn't matter and then use it as justification for Russia's illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory.

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