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The UK's Online Safety Act doesn't just age-gate porn; it blocks material deemed "harmful" to minors. Days after the law went into effect, reports of non-explicit content on social media getting blocked in the region started to crop up. Subreddits from r/IsraelCrimes to r/stopsmoking are now walled in the UK. Video games, Spotify, and dating apps have instituted or will institute age checks.

Given the SCOTUS age verification decision [June '25], Stabile fears that people [in the US] will go "mask off" in the fall and spring, when state legislatures start getting back together. "People are going to attempt to restrict the internet even more aggressively," Stabile said. "I think people are going to work to restrict all sorts of content, particularly LGBTQ content, but also content that is broadly defined as any sort of threat or propaganda to minors." Other experts Mashable spoke to agree with him.

"I'm going to jump to the end step," [Eric Goldman, law professor at the Santa Clara University School of Law] said. "The end step is that most online users are going to be required to age authenticate most of the time they visit websites. That's going to become the norm." In a paper he wrote, Goldman called these statutes "segregate-and-suppress" laws.

The stated reason behind these laws is to "protect children." But as journalist Taylor Lorenz pointed out, in the UK, age verification is already preventing children from accessing vital information, such as about menstruation and sexual assault.

"When we see crackdowns on spaces on the internet, we're essentially stripping away that potential for self-actualization," Goldman said. We've reached the dystopian stage of the internet, he added.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 244 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Age verification isn't really age verification: it's identity verification. And once you have given your identity to one or two websites, data brokers will ensure that all your other activity on the internet will eventually be tied to it. Burner devices and anonymous VPNs could help, but only until those become illegal too.

This will have a chilling effect on not only every kind of discourse the fascists hate, but also political organization and people's ability to resist. You won't be able to organize a protest online without the police knowing in advance who is likely to come and finding a pretext to intimidate or pre-arrest them.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 month ago

That's the most insightful and chilling comment I've read in a while. I especially like the "it's not age verification; it's identity verification" part. (That messaging needs to be more commonplace.) The key(s) for organizing data about individuals online will shift from email addresses only to enough stable identifiers to impersonate someone or maybe even steal their identity. Data leaks and fraud will probably increase dramatically given the value-add of these data.

With the level of quashing dissent these days - eg UK police arresting hundreds of nonviolent people with placards denouncing genocide; military deployments in LA and DC - no wonder certain states/ governments support online identity verification laws.

"No Kings" protests are already a non-story in mainstream news today. Tomorrow, they can be prevented from happening in the first place! /s c/aboringdystopia

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

And one key thing. Fascists and fascist collaborators will claim, "everything you do online and already tracked to your real identity." But the truth is, if that were already the case, then there wouldn't be a push for these identity verification laws.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

You won’t be able to organize a protest online without the police knowing in advance who is likely to come and finding a pretext to intimidate or pre-arrest them.

That's been true for a while. But it was "The FBI can put a pin in it" true before. And now it feels like "LinkedIn is going to have a second secret file on you" true.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fun fact:

That was the plan all along.

The guy who founded LinkedIn... Paypal mafia
The guys who invested in Facebook. . PayPal mafia
The guys who founded YouTube.... Paypal mafia
The guy who founded Square .... Paypal mafia
The guy who ran doge and got all your us gov datasets, has literally half of all satellites in orbit sucking up your location and data... Paypal mafia

The guy who decides who attends the bilderberg group, is ceo of the ai that is used by nearly every police force in the USA, and has contracts with military, who funded trump and Vance... Paypal Mafia

These guys have literally created the techno society we are now slaves to.

They are just getting started.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

They are just getting started.

Idk, man. Seems like they're wrapping up. Not a whole lot left to do when you're this far up on the board.

[-] Flagstaff@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago

My friend, you have no idea of the hell that awaits... There's always a deeper layer...

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18+ to shop at Walmart. I don't want my children exposed to harmful things like books, my boys shouldn't be exposed to cleaning supplies or see women's garments and my girls shouldn't have to see that other girls are allowed to pick out their outfits or do manly things like play sports.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago

In the UK some supermarkets charge extra for children to buy products. You need to register an account for them to harvest even more data and if you don't then some products can cost a lot more. Children can't register as they can't collect that kind of data on children.

I shop at Aldi instead because they don't do this shit

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[-] figjam@midwest.social 18 points 1 month ago

Time to start making zines and locally organizing i guess

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago

And they dont even have any valid excuses, because its totally possible to implement anonymous age verification that cannot be fooled. These systems already exists and work perfectly, but it was never the plan to do it this way. It was always intended as a political tool of censorship.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 112 points 1 month ago

Nuclear weapons are harmful to children.

Global warming is harmful to children.

Microplastics and forever chemicals are harmful to children.

But, no, let’s just block the porn.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

The felon sitting in the Oval Office is harmful to children.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

*The pedophile king whose name has been confirmed to be in the Epstein files

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 11 points 1 month ago

The world is on fire

But don't say "cunt"

Angelspit - Don't Say

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago

We need to purge our society of these genital obsessed religious extremists

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 19 points 1 month ago

genital obsessed religious extremists

A lot of these people are pedophiles just like the owner class so it makes sense why they always get good representation

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[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

We should haul them into public arenas and feed them to lions. They get off to that sort of thing.

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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

Remember, according to the UK government you're legally able to have sex, give birth, choose your future, and (soon?) vote at 16. Heaven forfend if you see a pair of titties though, you're not mature enough for that...

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

You can have sex, but you better not look!

I'm not against a bit of spice, but blindfolds at 16 just seem a little advanced. Especially when sex at that age is akin to a oblong peg in a tesseract shaped hole of unknown location.

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[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called Bring back the porn!"

- Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

The very instant a website wants me to verify my age by providing PII, I’ll just blacklist that website from my network. There isn’t a single website that I can’t go without.

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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 month ago

Until they ban Tor there will always be porn available.

This isn't about protecting children.

[-] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago

It never was. But that is hard to discuss. I remember when I still was young and went to house parties decades ago when my country discussed yet again some measures "to protect the children", don't recall exactly what, you found lots young people who of course couldn't be against protecting the children. How could you be against that? It's such a shitty way to get these things through.

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[-] switcheroo@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

It's not about protecting the children and never has been with the Party of Pedos. It's about control.

Outlaw porn. Then start calling LGBTQ folks pornographic. Now it's illegal to be gay. You KNOW they are going in that direction.

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[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 month ago

Pornographic content is literally & figuratively the canary in the coal mine of the internet.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

The stated reason behind these laws is to "protect children."

https://imgur.com/QqabC7T

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Somewhere in the UK, a 13 year old has already figured out a way to bypass it and watch porn.

That's what young me would have done.

[-] Minoot@lemmynsfw.com 26 points 1 month ago

There's a news clip of a reporter bypassing the restrictions in under 4 seconds. I actually think more teens will get around this than adults lmao. I look at the positives though, the silver lining is at least teens are learning about vpns early.

Oh god we're so fucked.

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[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 month ago

The first time this PII is leaked about some politician's online search history, it will all get repealed.

Wanna stop this? Get some whale to buy up the data and find people pushing this shit and any mass adoption for these things will die. Politicians like to eat up religious lobbyist's shit until it's used to expose their less savory activities to the greater population.

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

"Poorly Implemented Attempt to Censor Porn will Ruin Corporate Internet"

There, FTFY

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

We need to consider building on and spreading the word about other protocols like Tor, Yggdrassil etc etc. Show people that the Commons cannot be stolen again.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago

UK isnt so puritanical as the US, the sudden shift is very suspect of the actors behind these legislations all over the world.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Bad news for HTTP are good news for P2P.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

Ehh maybe. Next they'll charge the ISP's with logging what we do and blocking unidentifiable traffic.

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[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

"This isn't the end of a battle," he said. "This is the beginning of one."

I love that line so much, it goes hard and is kinda punk as fuck.

[-] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

I'm ready for the internet to end. This experiment has shown it is extremely harmful to society. Fucking end it already.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

The internet isn't the problem. Corporations mining it for money is.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

It was porn watching that initially pushed the internet technology to be better. Everything comes full circle.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

or we could just ban their ip range from every website idk

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