You're tipping too much.
In Michigan we passed a law requiring minimum wage for all tipped workers by 2030(?), and they FLIPPED THEIR SHIT. Said they would lose too much money in tips if they made minimum wage. The republicans rolled it back below minimum (still a small increase), and I'm not sure where it stands right now.
If tipped workers are going to fight against wage increases so much, then I'm okay reducing their tips.
You also have a thing where the minimum wage is far below the actual market rate, the typical wage in the area, and actually making minimum wage is way less than any other job. Nobody wants 7.25 an hour unless you're forced to.
Unpopular opinion, but maybe servers (and most everyone) deserve more than minimum wage. And I'm not saying the consumer should be paying it, they should be paid their money's worth by their employer.
Michigan non-tip min wage is what like $10? Who the hell can survive on that?
Minimum wage is the minimum they can be paid, not the maximum. If the job “deserves” more than minimum wage it will pay more than minimum wage.
“Servers” are a job that requires basically zero skills, and is often done by literal children. I’m sorry but if there was ever a job that was only deserving of minimum wage, it’s that one.
The minimum wage when it was instituted was designed to represent the minimum wage needed for a single worked to support a family.
Additionally all labor is skilled labor. You either need school or experience to perform a job. I can drop a highly educated neurosurgeon into a restaurant. Without instructions they will fail at the job.
Anyway, all labor deserves a living wage. If you work a full week you should be able to support yourself comfortably.
Additionally all labor is skilled labor.
No, it's not. When people use the term "unskilled" for jobs it doesn't mean "you literally have to have zero skills, not even the ability to user your hands, to do it" - it means you only need a limited skill set and is a job that has minimal economic value. Essentially it's a job that anyone at any stage could walk into and be able to do with minimal training.
That has always been how the skilled/unskilled labor gap has been broken up. You might not like it, but that's what it means. There is nothing about a server's role that makes it a "skilled" job that requires highly specialized skills that someone would have to go and get qualifications and study for. It's taking orders and carrying the orders out to people when someone else, often a skilled laborer like a chef for example, prepares them. Asking for drink orders and if everything is ok with the meal is not "skilled labor".
Anyway, all labor deserves a living wage. If you work a full week you should be able to support yourself comfortably.
Agreed 100%. Unfortunately COVID (and everything since, like the "renewable energy" push) and most countries' governments absolutely moronic handling of it has completely destroyed any hopes of this. Getting everyone from minimum wage workers upwards to be able to afford to "live comfortably" requires either a massive, massive recession with 50%+ deflation, or.........well there's really no other way. Maybe a UBI, and I wish more places would trial it, but apart from that there is no real solution that anyone has been able to suggest.
You guys sound crazy
Couldn't imagine tipping for EVERY drink, idk how I would keep track. I can barely afford drinks as it is. I once got tipped and I politely declined. It's the responsibility of the workplace to pay fairly, not other people who are just trying to get by.
True but tipping was created generations ago for the wealthy to not have to pay living wages and it's going to be as hard as taking guns away to get it to change. Remember, all this talk about "fair wages" and "equality" was planted and cultivated for a LONG time with a specific reason to hold down the poor and create different classes. It's a shitty system getting worse by the day.
All you have to do is stop tipping. That’s literally all it would take.
Dont tip. Covid killed tipping, after covid you dont need to tip
Explain.
I recommend you stay home. While the american tipping model is very stupid, I would like to remember you why 5-20 percent tip should be normal for serving food and drinks:
You are all insufferable cunts when you're drunk.
I think 1-2$ per drink is the recommendation because it's easier to remember than doing the math, and you're more likely to drop the cash and go rather than interacting with a busy bartender more. That said, if they're doing full service for you (food, checking in on you), you should probably tip normally, because they're acting as a server in that case.
I’m so glad I don’t live in a country where you’re expected to pay companies employees directly so they don’t have to. Even if someone goes above and beyond and is the greatest at their job time ever seen, I still don’t have to top up their pay cheque from my own pocket.
Every business using certain POS’s have a tip screen come up now, but I’ve never seen or heard of anyone selecting anything other than 0% thankfully.
The latest atrocity I've seen in tipping is at the attended checkout at a grocery store. These companies are leeches.
Its insane, I hated visiting there because tipping is so weird and ingrained like something theyncant explain. People will tell you its simple just do x, other say yeah well I do y, and the next I will only do y if abc otherwise I omly give x.
I just overpaid for everything there and considered it expensive and weird
I tip for 15%, everywhere I go where tips are expected. For drinks I tip 15%. It helps that I'm Canadian and almost all places I go they have machines, so it's just easy.
Really depends.
Typically, $1 is for a standup bar etc with high volume.
If I'm sitting at the bar top, getting fed, I'll tip like I would were I sitting at a table. If I'm just sucking down beers, probably a buck or two a drink and if I've been a while, a 5 on top at the end.
But, I've known a lot of people in the industry etc... Also I've found that being a good person who tips helps out in the long run, it's nice getting the occasional free drink, having the server on your side when flirting with folks at the bar etc. Best one was the bartender gave me really high end ski gloves that had been left behind a couple nights prior, the cash equivalent would've been huge.
As they say, it's nice to be nice.
With tips I generally do 20% across the board so a bartender would get 20% just like a waitress. And it's always better to have a happy bartender :)
That said I'm also in the northeast U.S. where everything is expensive so it sort of makes sense that the tips aren't going to be cheap. Maybe I'd rethink the tipping if I was somewhere else less expensive.
There was an article just the other day pointing out that a lot of places are actually charging you a higher percentage than what they say they are. Chances are you're being screwed over.
It's pretty bullshit. Just raise the prices. We, the waitstaff, all hate it too, and will gladly tell our managers to remove it if you ask us.
For anyone who mightn't know, tipping culture is rooted in slavery and exploitation. It existed in Europe to an extent but really spread its wings - like many awful European things - in the USA.
I support workers rights, but I don't tip. The way I see it, if the place requires tips for their staff to get by, then the staff are being financially abused and I would be propping up a system of exploitation. Prioritise places that pay their staff above the minimum wage.
The way I see it, if the place requires tips for their staff to get by, then the staff are being financially abused and I would be propping up a system of exploitation. Prioritise places that pay their staff above the minimum wage.
Second sentence is fine, feel free to boycott places that pay below minimum wage. But if you do go to an establishment that pays based on the assumption of tips, and you don't tip, you're just joining in the exploitation.
Start a tab, tip at the end
Every aspect of America is insufferable
And getting worse, or enshittified
I do 20% for table service by wait staff and 1 dollar per drink at a bar, unless I run a tab over a long session, then I often default back to 20%. Also if the bartender is putting a lot of time and effort into making me fancy cocktails and not just pouring me a draft.
I tip nothing for drinks, maybe 5 or 10 quid for a meal (for 3 or 4). Pay your staff so they don't need to rely on tips.
I thought bar food is tipped the same as restaurant food.
Tipping a dollar a drink is standard because
... that's really it. No thinking, no math, etc. which is important when you're drinking.
Also, you too per drink so the bartender knows you tip right from the start.
You mention the key for tipping, IMO. Bartenders are pretty damn good at identifying who gives a little. I feel it definitely helps me get my drinks even at a very crowded bar.
I think it’s insane too. I understand that tipping goes (theoretically) to the waitstaff, but I have a hard time tipping $1 per $4.50 bottle of beer handed to me. If it’s more complex of a drink than x and coke, sure it took their time.
Tipping table service used to be good amount only not drinks and tax. Now it seems to be on top the final total with 20% being expected.
You can still tip based on the subtotal before tax
Yalls are insane: $1/drink tip. For a sit-down restaurant, 20% minimum because that’s the expectation in 2025. There’s a special place in hell for people who decrease a server’s tip bc service wasn’t up to par. Either tip the full amount or eat at home, this ain’t 1952.
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