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Some thoughts on how useful Anubis really is. Combined with comments I read elsewhere about scrapers starting to solve the challenges, I'm afraid Anubis will be outdated soon and we need something else.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago

Sometimes I think. Imagine if a company like google or facebook would implement something like anubis. And suddenly most people's browsers would start solving cpu intensive constant cryptographic challenges. People would be outraged by the wasted energy. But somehow "cool small company" does it and it's fine.

I do not think anubis system is sustainable for all the people to use it, it's just too wasteful energy wise.

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[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, well-written stuff. I think Anubis will come and go. This beautifully demonstrates and, best of all, quantifies the ~~negligence~~ negligible cost to scrapers of Anubis.

It's very interesting to try to think of what would work, even conceptually. Some sort of purely client-side captcha type of thing perhaps. I keep thinking about it in half-assed ways for minutes at a time.

Maybe something that scrambles the characters of the site according to some random "offset" of some sort, e.g maybe randomly selecting a modulus size and an offset to cycle them, or even just a good ol' cipher. And the "captcha" consists of a slider that adjusts the offset. You as the viewer know it's solved when the text becomes something sensical - so there's no need for the client code to store a readable key that could be used to auto-undo the scrambling. You could maybe even have some values of the slider randomly chosen to produce English text if the scrapers got smart enough to check for legibility (not sure how to hide which slider positions would be these red herring ones though) - which could maybe be enough to trick the scraper into picking up junk text sometimes.

[-] dabe@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago

I’m sure you meant to sound more analytical than anything… but this really comes off as arrogant.

You make the claim that Anubis is negligent and come and go, and then admit ton only spending minutes at a time thinking of solutions yourself, which you then just sorta spout. It’s fun to think about solutions to this problem collectively, but can you honestly believe that Anubis is negligent when it’s so clearly working and when the author has been so extremely clear about their own perception of its pitfalls and hasty development (go read their blog, it’s a fun time).

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