Your post made me want to check these out. I only ever played one with a friend for kicks. It was a fun, cheap activity, easy to make a drinking game out of.
It's like how erotica can still be literature, but people dismiss it for the sexual focus. But I've read erotic stories that had me hooked, made interesting social commentary, had nuanced characters and were just a fantastic time.
people dismiss it for the sexual focus.
I stand by this: porn is a largely untapped medium for insanely stupid comedy.
I know we've all seen lemon stealing whores and whatnot, but like, we could have so much more than we do.
One of the hardest times I've laughed my ass off was at a one of those semi surreal uncanny 3d porn games. Can't remember what it was but it scared the shit out of my cat who was sleeping under my desk, have the scars to prove it.
Also if anyone wants to look at porn games F95zone"dot"to is a pirate forum which is good for keeping track of in dev ones or just if you don't want to possibly waste money on a porn game you may not like. Also the dot is in quotes cause I am not sure how the mods would react to me posting what amounts to a porn link.
And people are trying to shut it down. It's a damn shame.
Oh well, we still have the absolute chaos that is ammateur, self-published erotica.
I wish there were more games that had NSFW stuff, but not as the main focus. BG3, Cyberpunk, The Witcher, etc all have nudity, but the sex scenes are short, cropped, and half assed because they are embarrassed.
There needs to be quicktime events, better cinematics, and werewolves (BG3, Elder Scrolls, Witcher) during erotic scenes. Bring back A/O games. Many of these shouldn't be even remotely aimed at anyone below 18 anyways.
Hell, the last genuinely fun game with kink in it was Saints Row 3, and that was for comedic effect.
quicktime events
Damn I missed the cumshot quick time event. I'm not going to get an s rank for this chapter. Guess I gotta reload...
Imagine the debuff that blueballs would inflict because you missed the quicktime event
Imagine if the game knew you save scummed and gave you a blue balls debuff.
Buttknight was a really good arcade scroller shooter. The unlockable scenes weren't interractive, but actually unlocking them was a ton of fun. Short game too.
My recommendations:
Most steam erotica games started out as poor quality visual novels or clone games with titties but the scene is really shaping up to something much more interesting!
One other side point that came to mind after the main post.
We're so conditioned to think realistic violence in games is fine, but realistic sex in games is "wrong" or "sad". But honestly, I realized I played through 3+ games without doing any violence* and had a blast, and that was actually really refreshing.
*^okay,^ ^no^ ^non-consensual^ ^violence.^ ^I^ ^may^ ^have^ ^slapped^ ^Lyssa's^ ^dick^ ^around,^ ^but^ ^she^ ^requested^ ^it.^
We’re so conditioned to think realistic violence in games is fine, but realistic sex in games is “wrong” or “sad”.
Not just in games. In all media. You bring to mind a great quote from George R. R. Martin.
“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”
well tbf one of the detailed sex scenes (in the book) is between a 30 yrs old khal drogo with a 13 year old daenerys targaryen, and it's being depicted as a good thing, he's the first guy that cares about her
I've always felt that puritanical stigmatization of sex and sexuality have really fucked us up psychologically as a species.
Puritanism comes down to “happiness is bad.“
Not just sex; dancing, music, poetry, novels, games, decorations. Anything which takes joy in life and expression is forbidden.
Suffering while alive is seen as the proper punishment for being born human - seeing people and nature as beautiful and divine is legitimately blasphemy to these people.
Axes entering skulls give pleasure to the psychopaths we let run our societies.
I remember a quote from a famous porn actor "nacho vidal".
"I'd rather have my kids playing with "fake plastic penises" around the house than playing with fake plastic firearms."
I'm not comfortable with the idea of kids playing with sexual toys. But it makes me feel something weird that I'm not more weirded out by kids playing to kill with fake guns.
I'm pretty sure a majority of people touched a real penis before touching a real gun.
Leading up to the release of Cyberpunk 2077 there was a relatively innocent post about whether players would be able to romance anyone and sleep with them. The absolute mockery and scorn OP received was shameful. It really struck me because it was so clear how we've been conditioned to reject sexuality while at the same time being ultra-desensitized to violence.
You know that even fantasy sex is a problem to the puritan mind, even mild representations of sex like activities becomes weird. Well in the Western society that is. I found out that some temples in India are finely decorated with more or less explicit scenes. In certain societies sex is seen as an engine. The issue with violence is that it isn't just highly but it's nearly a constant in our western society. Go back to the middle ages, how many people whacked each other in popular imagery. Even recently we have seen more violence than ever. Gore doesn't do much any longer for many adults, but it's supposed to elicit a strong evolutionary reflex of disgust and fear. I feel we've been overexposed to these things, but not others.
And then you usually get "But the sex isn't realistic!!!"... yeah? Neither is the violence, unless you are frequently the Doomslayer or something?!
Like, how is that even an argument. How can violence in games be preferrable to sex?!
Not directly to your point but your overall experience just reminds me: we really lost something when the sexual liberation movement was largely erased. People so often dismiss it because we're conditioned to dismiss taking sex seriously (outside of a very narrow and specific context) but there's a lot we lose from that.
Tycho, of Penny Arcade, actually had some words on this subject around the time the PC version of Stellar Blade came out and people were up in arms about it. I'll quote it here because I think it's a good passage.
I used to say that I grew up Christian, but I think it's probably more accurate to say Evangelical, especially now that more people might know what I'm talking about. Sex was VERY naughty and we needed to be constantly on the lookout for incursions of this secular, demonic, but also somehow worryingly inherent force…? Breaking that pernicious notion down and enabling people to express themselves was the project I thought I'd more or less seen completed. Now it's come around some weird bend, with precisely the same energy as before, except now it's being done for the correct reasons. It can't possibly be this dumb. And yet!
It's incredibly fucking boring to have the tail end of the revolution you saw win shame the tools that gave them victory, dust off a bunch of regressive shit, and then have the pluck to feel righteous about it.
It sort of mirrors my own experience (minus the evangelical upbringing). I definitely recall a period of general sex-positivity that has now come around some strange turn whereby the very same voices are admonishing people for daring to enjoy sexy things.
It's very strange.
Was it erased? We are more comfortable with porn than ever (which I wouldn't say is okay, but definitely not prudish), and after the jews, the biggest boogie man out there is the gender lobby.
I say we're in the next phase, and moderators (Visa, Mastercard) need to buckle up for what's coming.
We are more comfortable with porn than ever
Are we (edit: 'hope that doesn't sound antagonistic; I more meant it rhetorically)? No-Nut November has only recently dipped in the general consciousness and goon is currently trending as a pejorative. I think we're comfortable with pushing the boundaries and with nodding and winking towards it but outright normalization has a fierce backlash.
But part of what the sex. lib. movement was about was both normalization and healthy interaction with sex, not just sexual content being prevalent. There's plenty of unhealthy ideas and performances that the mainstream porn industry perpetuates, much of it relying on satisfying a normative and patriarchal outlook; feminist porn, for example, was/is a much more sex. lib. approach to porn (from giving women more active participation in the sex portrayed (rather than just the receptive of it) to also having the performers express their emotions more (even if minimally) and how the sex they were having made them feel).
These goals are much more in line with the emotional experience OP was describing, where it's not just sexual content but a more healthy engagement with that sexual content as well, such as experiencing emotions and attachment. That's part of why OP's descriptions reminded me of it.
Mainstream porn, driven by capitalism (which isn't to say all of us aren't in some degree, even indie creators; sadly, that's just the reality, right now), doesn't care about these things.
And sex. lib. has a distinct history and activism, much of intertwined with gay liberation and…I think most people don't know that or, like, the battles that were fought for information about safe sex, etc. I mean, it's not unique (most people aren't aware about disability history, for example, or events like the Capital Crawl) but it's still deeply unfortunate.
I do appreciate the time and effort you put into the comment, but I am not arguing against what you are saying.
Since Kinsey &co and the summer of love, the movement didn't evaporate, it perforated society and mutated. I don't think I'd be going too far by stating, that the sexual revolution couldn't have happened without the suffragettes. I see the queer movement as a spearhead in the same direction.
I only had qualm with you saying anything has been undone (sorry if I'm paraphrasing). Yeah, using 'woke' as a pejorative for anyone craving progress is a thing now, but that doesn't mean most of us want nothing more than to love each other freely.
Mmm, I get what you mean. So often, I find myself in conversations (not ours but in general) that have certain presumptions that have been addressed by movements such as these that I feel like there's this gap in knowledge that shouldn't really exist but…
I think your point's a fair argument, though; I'd certainly prefer that, at the very least.
I do understand. I find myself having to regularly check myself to look for miscommunication instead of malice (or stupidity for that matter).
The whole thing is whack, and anyone with two cents of mind and some compassion is just gaping at the horrors being casually thrown around and equally horrifying misdirections.
Thanks to the internet the only way to hide stuff is to drown it out, but we all have our trusted sources (who in turn distort reality in an infotaining world, but that's where we're at). This means we can more or less put the big picture together (or at least the players) and make fairly solid guesstimates.
I tell myself this is an all or nothing attempt by the ruling class to legitimize a strangle hold before any major resource wars break out and that people are really wisening up to their shenanigans. I feel 'doomerism' is an aspect where they can easily get me. Don't let them win.
Hunnie Pop is the best Bejewled type game ever made. <3
I've only ever played one VN and it was wonderful: Katawa Shoujo 💛
For vnovels, check out Katawa Shoujo. It has a great storyline and characters, and it's free!
If you're looking for a platformer I'd recommend Flipwitch - Forbidden Sex Hex
Flipwitch is a fantastic little Metroidvania that I can't talk to my "normal" gaming friends about.
I've always been open to adult only games, but for the vast majority there are only two basic types:
Visual Novels - Everything about these is fine. They vary from basically just a graphic novel to a full on RPG.
Nude Puzzles - Various cheap-ass puzzles with nude images as the prize.
I want, like, a real game but with full adult only content. These exist, but are hard to find. And a lot of those I've found aren't finished, never will be finished, and/or just suck. It doesn't even have to be the focus. Just imagine if when you got a hooker in GTA or some other game where brothels might exist, you got to see more than a fade to black/car bouncing around.
Alicesoft is one of the major dev studios in this exact space, but their games range from having some non-con to outright featuring it. Not for everyone.
The biggest issue with adult content in games is that it limits your market to adults that want that content. Which is already small to begin with. And you often can't advertise the same way, which limits your audience further. You only find out about them through word of mouth or through places like Lemmy.
From the standpoint of the developer, your ROI is likely to be very small. I think that's why VN are the most popular form of adult games, since they are easier to make than full games.
Its wild how gooning and porn are so normalized to the point they harass real woman in their comments and dms 24/7 but god forbid a porn game, I like them ocassionally, when I don't want to be lazy and I'm in a gaming mood, it's like reading some Choose your own adventure erotica with visuals, but the story is porn story adjacent
I never paid attention to adult games until all this controversy happened. The Streisand effect must be doing its thing on people.
On the m/m side, the visual novel Coming Out on Top is a remarkably well-written, if saccharine, dating game about a college guy figuring things out. I don't usually like VNs but this one was worth playing. It's has a lot of gay sex in it, that is literally the entire point so, you know, be aware of that.
I was disappointed by Fetish Locator; I wasn't into any of the included fetishes, so I rapidly got to the end, and missed all the content. Got an ending screen suggesting I should go back and try something, but like, no thanks! Still, at least it was free!
Oh man! You've just giving me something that I think will really help stoke the fire in my relationship!
I've never really been into sexual roleplay and it's one of the things my partner previously expressed an interest in. We regularly game together either doing co-op or single player since we feel it's more engaging sometimes than zoning out on a movie., so the recommendations like "Leap of Love" sounds like the perfect gaming/drinking night that might kinda dip into the roleplaying aspect!
I really wish I claimed it when I saw it, just a few clicks and I'm kicking myself for it now. Are there any others you or anyone else would recommend that are more fantasy roleplay focused and might be good for two people?
You know how romance novels are mostly popular with women for various reasons?
Porn games are that, but as an interactive picture book. Not a bad thing, I just think it's funny that most guys need to see them boobies instead of reading about them.
Subverse is really funny in its writing and the renders are high quality as expected of StudioFOW.
HuniePop's main game loop with the "connect"-style game loop on dates is actually pretty fun to play.
I believe the only reason adult games aren't as popular in Western countries as they are in Japan (and I think elsewhere in Asia?) is because there's a stereotype that they're low quality, which came about because of the ESRB (not sure about other countries' rating systems) basically making it so there was no money in it in a pre-digital download world.
Damn, I didn't know about the bundle.
Same, first hearing about it 😢
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