lemmy.fmhy.ml's stance on defederation (lemmy.fmhy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml to c/freemediaheckyeah@lemmy.fmhy.ml

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Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don't find appealing (there's even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).

We don't want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

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[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances

I personally disagree. There will be entirely private instances, there will be instances with highly restricted federation. There will be instances that federate with most and there will be instances that federate without restriction. That's the beauty of the model and that's why kbin and lemmy with thrive.

[-] inventa@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this. It's recomforting and makes me thing I chose the right instance to sign up

[-] Toothpickjim@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Nice to see admins with a level head

[-] Sexypink@exploding-heads.com 0 points 1 year ago

I agree. But to me personally, I think people Oh lemmy WANT censorship and so forth. Really kills the experience honestly

[-] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Each instance will have different perspective on it. Some would obviously censor more stuff than us. It will depend on the user what kind of experience he is looking for.

[-] SeatBeeSate@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Censorship? No, but moderation would be great.

[-] HonorableScythe@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I sort of agree, but I also know that as Lemmy becomes more popular, defederating will become necessary as trolls and hate groups open instances. It's a problem on Mastodon. A trans friend there posted about her experience bra shopping and a bunch of transphobes from other Mastodon servers came in to attack her, including an admin of one server who called her a slur and told her to stop reporting because they'd never remove anything hateful towards trans people.

On a centralized service like Reddit, hate subs can just be quarantined by the admins or removed wholesale. With a decentralized service, every instance will need to defederate those groups to keep them out. There's no way to bar them from making a new server.

[-] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's different with Lemmy since people make posts in communities and it's in the community moderator's power to remove problematic comments.

If an entire instance supports or encourages such behaviour though, then you're right and such instances should be defederated.

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[-] Angleslam@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Why did lemmygrad get blocked?

[-] AtomicAria@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

It's full of tankies (fascists who like the color red).

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Does that mean exploding heads will get defederated?

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[-] RyanHakurei@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

I honestly don't see anything of value being lost. They can wall off into their own echochamber and the rest of us can communicate freely.

[-] Biorix@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is not a matter of different point of view but a moderation one, since they are outnumbered for now with flow of new people and bad actors.

I don't think they did it happily

But we're not concerned since this instance is smaller and probably not as much targeted

[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

This is not a matter of different point of view but a moderation one, since they are outnumbered for now with flow of new people and bad actors.

I don't agree. They appear to have a lot more moderators than kbin.social or lemmy.world. They didn't have any higher number of trolls. What they want is to remove more comments. Comments which they think offend people. This is all about a point of view. They want a safe space. An echo chamber. They want to be protected from diversity.

[-] ondoyant@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Beehaw has been pretty darn open about exactly why and under what circumstances they defederated. Try to be a little more charitable here. They're in open communication with the mods of both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works as of now, and are trying to start development on more nuanced moderation tools. As far as I know, the intent is to refederate once things get figured out.

[-] Quetzacoatl@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

which, by your argument, is also fine. let them be the safe space, and whoever doesn't want that, well just create an alt account literally anywhere else. it's not worth fussing over imho.

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