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As in: Which makes the most sense from their PoV, ethics aside.

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[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

The "middle class" is just the working class with debt. In class struggle terms, its not "rich vs poor", it's "owners vs workers". If you have to work to support yourself, that tells you all you need to know.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I have relatives that own their house as well as a few rental properties, but they also work normal jobs, they get the new iPhone (or sometimes Samsung Phone) every year, they rarely use public transit, always drive their cars. I'm assuming they have health insurance as well. And I also heard they have other investments besides rental income (as in stocks)

Now I don't know if they need to work, but they definitely have enough rental income to get by even if they lose their jobs.

Idk what class that is supposed to be.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Does it matter? These are just concepts. Marxists would tell you theyre petit-bourgeoisie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie

Ultimately, supporting the working class helps everyone.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I think an easier interpretation than the "owners vs workers" in this day and age is, are they billionaires. If you're not a billionaire or close to it, you should be on the side of the working class.

The billionaires that make up only 1% of the population ans own nearly half the wealth of the entire world are the problem.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

$10M and up would probably qualify. Below that, people would still need to work to maintain what they have with some measure of comfort and dealing with risk, inflation. Above that, they should be able to be self sustaining without working for a paycheque.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sounds to me like petite bourgeoise. Wannabe owner class

[-] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 7 points 4 months ago

The middle class still works to make a living. So they are part of the working class.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Middle class is a fabrication designed to make the working poor think they're better off than they really are.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

There is no middle class, there is only working class and the parasitic class.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The middle class isn't real. You are either working class or owner class. Anything else is just there to divide the working class in a forever class war with the owner class.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

People who have to work a job to live are workers.

Every other abled bodied person who lives without contributing doesn't need to be around.

[-] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Everyone that sells their time to make a living is part of the same class. Everyone that makes their money through appreciation of capital is a different class.

[-] jasoman@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If you don't know, you don't have enough rich friends.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It depends, how do they feel about guillotines?

[-] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This has always been my thought. As someone who is living a comfortable life, some would consider me as well-off or rich. Regardless, I am not private security rich, so would be an easy target at the start of the uprising.

Hence, ethics aside, it's in my best interest to keep the 'workers' happy.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The middle class is nothing more than poor people who are convinced that they'll be rich someday.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world -1 points 4 months ago

Nope, that's blatantly not true. I'm a middle class, I don't think I'll ever be rich. Sure, some people dream of being the next billionaires, but most of middle class doesn't.

[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The middle class is a fabrication. It's an income bracket created by capitalism, not a true analysis of one's association to the means of production and labor. It's "real" in the sense that many people identify themselves to it, but it's not real in a Marxist sense.

A vast majority of people in the middle class are the proletariat. Some of the people in the middle class are petite bourgeois.

Edit: I think your question is a good one, simply because so many people do see themselves as part of this Middle Class first before they think of themselves as workers or business owners, but I think that's a sign of effective capitalist propaganda meant to distract the workers from their relationship to labor. The Middle Class largely is made up of people who need to be reeducated to understand that they are part of the proletariat and the bourgeois have been robbing them for centuries.

[-] memfree@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

You can't put ethics aside. All we have is ethics. Ideally, ethics get codified into laws against doing unethical things, but not forcing people to only and always do that which someone said is ethical (no drunk driving, but no banning on alcohol). Problems crop up when the laws are unethical -- like saying corporations are people or landmines aren't warcrimes.

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