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Russian Artillery today, russian air defense yesterday, who's left for the meat grinder?

Honest question, what's left of their conventional forces if they're sending specialists into meatwaves.

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[-] sepi@piefed.social 23 points 2 weeks ago

russia is not a paper tiger but a shit bear, covered in shit, eating shit, smearing shit everywhere.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

I certainly hope this is the case, and they know anything they do drag out of mothballs won't last long at all.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

they know anything they do drag out of mothballs won’t last long at all.

they've been raiding the stored soviet shit for two years and sending it to the front.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 weeks ago

This feels like an anecdote being stretched out to make a wild conclusion. Russia still has a healthy supply of infantry on the front and cycled off. It wouldnt make any sense to start transferring specialist units onto the front. From what ive seen they are still using artillery on the major front lines especially in parkrovsk.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

. Russia still has a healthy supply of infantry on the front

LOL WHAT?

They're sending air defense artillery and tube artillery units to the front, hell they're taking assholes off boats and turning them into meatwaves. They're sending people into combat on crutches.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/kuznetsov-naval-infantry-kharkov

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-troops-frontline-latam-intl/

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-prematurely-sending-wounded-soldiers-1738500144.html

pray tell, where is this healthy supply of infantry?

return home?

you think any of these guys got cycled off the front? pfft, maybe in a bag

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/putin-terrified-of-threat-to-kremlin-when-russian-army-veterans-return-home/ar-AA1Asi0e

Putin's never going to let a large mass of soldiers return home lol

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/putin-terrified-of-threat-to-kremlin-when-russian-army-veterans-return-home/ar-AA1Asi0e

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 weeks ago

These are so obviously fluff. From what we know casualtie rates are similar with Ukraine having suffered a bit less. Active duty russia outnumbers Ukraine 880k to 1.1m. This is a pro Ukrainian analysis so the real numbers are likely to be worse.

Ukraine is rotating off less and less and their active and inactive reserves are much lower than russia.

This goes over troop counts https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/comparing-size-and-capabilities-russian-and-ukrainian-militaries

The russia has a bottleneck on how many people they can conscript due to training services and support pipelines. Ukraine does not have that luxury.

This isnt to say its over for Ukraine its just bringing a bit of reality back because i hate seeing people gloat as if Ukraine is wrecking russia when theyre actually being ground down in a losing war of attrition. Russia has adapted a lot since the start of the war they arent untrained teenagers being sent to the front with nothing anymore.

This goes over the conscription in russia. Not very interesting. https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-force-generation-and-technological-adaptations-update-september-24-2025/

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

These are so obviously fluff.

so you're just going to say "disregard all the evidence provided, it' doesn't count"

russia has been sending drunks and cripples to the front for over a year. bet you're gonna ignore that too.

Ukraine IS wrecking russia. day by day, hour by hour, they've destroyed a tremendous amount of their refining and oil transport infrastructure over the last six months.

acting like none of this is happening is quite russian tho, cute.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 weeks ago

I wish Ukraine was wrecking russia but its unfortunately not the case. They've done well to slow down the war and hold but holding still costs them lives and supplies.

I can dismiss all your articles because they are fluff you can't actually think they are of any informational value. Pointing at a handful of unverified examples and speculating on the troop count of the entire battlefield is dumb. Russia has over a million active duty soldiers they dont need to send specialists as grunts. As for sending wounded soldiers watch footage from Ukraine they are often wounded as well. 2000m to andrivka has a guy with 1 leg. The rate of killed vs wounded is like 1:5 so there are a shit ton of wounded soldiers who recover and head back out on both sides.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

you really love rhetorical strawman arguments.

because they are fluff you can’t actually think they are of any informational value.

this says jack and shit. diddly squat. you refute my assertions... with NOTHING.

Meanwhile, you continue to posit ridiculous ideas predicated on your deep history of volunteering supporting arguments in the form of.... NOTHING.

If you're going to dismiss entire categories but provide zero evidence of your own I'm going to disregard you. Oh, already did.

maybe you can convince the miles of idiots waiting for gas in russia and crimea that's never going to come lol

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Shocking how delusional some people are. None of what im saying is controversial.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

shocking how some people assert they understand everything without providing an ounce of evidence to support their premise.

do you have evidence that the RU petroleum system is doing fine lol?

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Do you think I'm lying or wrong? Ive posted analysis that supports my claim. What do you think the troop counts are if I'm so wrong?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

you're wrong. literally the links you use to support your argument undermine your premise.

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-force-generation-and-technological-adaptations-update-september-24-2025/

"Belousov claimed that 97 percent of wounded Russian servicemen currently return to the battlefield and attributed this trend to new medical technologies and the employment of medical professionals on the battlefield. Russian military commanders, however, have been steadily committing wounded personnel into assault operations without proper prior medical treatment and neglecting to evacuate wounded personnel in time."

how do you maintain forces in the field by sending wounded soldiers into meat wave assaults?

do you think they have battalions of fresh infantry just waiting in the hinterlands for the REAL conflict to start?

news flash sparky: shit didn't get this bad in a vacuum. they've wrecked one of the largest armies in the world. it took years, but they're sending ivan's red legs as fucking ground pounder meatwaves. artillery, ada, fucking sailors - you don't waste valuably trained assets like this as infantry unless you're out of resources elsewhere.

now they're out of diesel, not just unleaded. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-plans-partially-ban-diesel-exports-until-end-2025-ifx-reports-2025-09-25/

My only question is are you a paid shill or do you get off shitting on the obvious because it makes you cranky?

The war isn't going to end tomorrow, but all of these developments - russia's wastefulness, it's desperation for human bodies, it's crumbling SINGLE MAIN EXPORT INDUSTRY THAT LITERALLY SUPPORTS MOST OF THE ECONOMY, it's secondary export economy - mercenaries and arms is no longer booming either lol....

Whatever. You do you.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 weeks ago

do you get off shitting on the obvious

I hate the internet. So you know you're completely wrong and you intentionally pretended to be an idiot to waste both of our time. You should have put that at the top I had already wasted time typing out my response.

Good job dude you got me. I fell for the bait.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I hate the internet.

I can see why. It's gotta be frustrating to ignore all those salient facts and keep pushing that boulder of ignorance up the hill.

I don't think anything I've stated above is wrong - and provide ample evidence that russia is hurting, and desperate. the fact that you can see all these different sources and still come with the conclusion "russia's fine" is simply delusional, to the point that you're not a credible individual.

Lash out, be petulant, stick your guns, ignore the evidence. Whatever.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 week ago

No you made plenty of claims that are wrong and your evidence is poor. You make the mistake of falling for feel good propaganda, little battlefield stories that make you think

The only claim I care about making is that Russia's troop count is still fine. They have enough supply in Ukraine to outnumber Ukrainians in most areas theyre contesting and to continue conducting offensive operations with little care for loss of life. Its delusional to think they're running out of manpower on the brink or collapse. Manpower is their strongest asset and one of the few things russia has going for it.

Its heading into winter so things are going to stagnate. Russia halting fuel exports shows that ukraines attacks have been having an impact but russia has reserves so we're unlikely to see the impact in the short term. Russia is increasing their training pipeline "incase NATO attacks" but in reality its probably for another big sping offensive.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

No you made plenty of claims that are wrong and your evidence is poor.

still waiting for any shred of evidence that supports your argument. tick tock.

The only claim I care about making is that Russia’s troop count is still fine.

oh so the artillery and petroleum stuff doesn't count, lol.

They have enough supply in Ukraine to outnumber Ukrainians in most areas theyre contesting and to continue conducting offensive operations with little care for loss of life.

if you count gimpy ivan on crutches trying to ride an ebike into the assault, sure, it's 'enough'.

Russia halting fuel exports shows that ukraines attacks have been having an impact but russia has reserves

if russia had reserves enough to matter they wouldn't have miles of ivans waiting for fuel. if you can't supply your civilian economy - especially diesel - AT HARVEST NO LESS - what good is any of it?

There's an entire economy running into the ground but you think everything's A-OK.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You arent waiting for evidence. Ive already linked two good resources that report on the troop counts and neither of them mention or speculate a lack of manpower or foresee any Russian manpower issues.

Youre acting like I'm pro Russian for giving a realistic take on the state of the conflict. The rest of your comments are rambling schizo garbage.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

tick tock...

I already explained how your two sources aren't really supporting your argument. you ignored that response once, I'm sure you'll ignore it again, but for anyone else who'd like to judge for themselves:

this is Fizz's idea of 'russia doesn't have a manpower problem':

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-force-generation-and-technological-adaptations-update-september-24-2025/

“Belousov claimed that 97 percent of wounded Russian servicemen currently return to the battlefield and attributed this trend to new medical technologies and the employment of medical professionals on the battlefield. Russian military commanders, however, have been steadily committing wounded personnel into assault operations without proper prior medical treatment and neglecting to evacuate wounded personnel in time.”

how do you maintain forces in the field by sending wounded soldiers into meat wave assaults?

"Russia still has a ~~healthy~~ supply of infantry on the front and cycled off."

for tens of thousands of mobilized, they have never been cycled off. that's a gross fucking lie, they just keep getting jammed into the meatgrinder. if they fall out the side only partially ground up, they get picked up and put right back in.

not only is it a shitty, self defeating strategy, once your comrades in the shit see that behavior, everything else falls apart. the only motivation a russian soldier has is the squads who will execute them if they don't press forward.

so fizz, I don't think you're a credible source in this discussion, I think you're a child. Get out of your bedroom, hump a ruck some, gain some perspective. Ukraine is getting battered, badly, but russia still hasn't won after years of pouring resources into this shit storm. wake the fuck up, or shut the fuck up.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 week ago

If you think 97% of wounded returning to combat is so crazy what do you think that number is for Ukraine? I couldn't find anything but if I had to guess it would be above 80%. This should go without saying but clearly not in your case, that is an observation and alone doesnt disprove any of my claims. Russia can send wounded back to the front and abandon people on the front and send people carelessly into the meat grinder and what I said can still be correct. Healthy supply of troops means they have enough troops on the front to hold/push, they have troops in reserve and they have potential people to conscript. All of those are true. Even if we are purely talking about the physical health of thr troops they're still healthy enough to push and defend.

Here is another article reporting on thr Ukrainian commander Chiefs analysis. Because you can't read he says russia has the capacity to mobilise 5million trained troops and full mobilisation capacity of 20 million.

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-has-capacity-to-mobilize-5-million-trained-troops-syrskyi-says/

how do you maintain forces in the field by sending wounded soldiers into meat wave assaults?

Russia has 150 million people. Russia treats its troops like dogshit. Ukraine is 1/3 the size and they have been open about their manpower issues but still can they field 880,000 active troops. Thats enough to defend their entire border.

Only you and slop outlets that dont follow the conflict have this idea that russia is running out of people.

The sources you cite are MSN and CNN the source I cite are military intel institutions and the commander in chief of Ukraine. We are not the same.

You come off as trying to intentionally undermine the situation in Ukraine by suggesting theyre doing fine and on the verge of winning. They aren't and they need support. People shouldn't be lulled into a delusional state of things are fine. Ukraine is at a huge disadvantage and have done well inspite of everything.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

tick tock tick tock

This should go without saying but clearly not in your case, that is an observation and alone doesnt disprove any of my claims.

you dolt you posted the link

every source you post is bonafide, but every news source is fake news - wow you really are a delusional child. Of course you've never served, I imagine whatever shithole you live in either doesn't conscript teens or has some kind of standards.

We are not the same.

yes, this is apparent. really, I'm thankful. that shit you call a brain has to smell.

Ukraine is at a huge disadvantage and have done well inspite of everything.

In all these silly text ejaculations this is the only thing you've written touching on reality.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 week ago

i never said your sources were fake news. you don't even understand why what you posted is useless. when you want to make a wide claim like russia is running out of troops you cant just post a 2 or 3 sources of isolated incidents. a wide claim requires a evidence that encompasses a wide view of the battlefield. nothing you posted is even close to supporting anything you say.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Putin’s never going to let a large mass of soldiers return home lol

Traditionally, letting a whole bunch of poorly treated, battle-hardened soldiers with a severe grudge against their leaders back into your country hasn't gone well for said leaders. Letting them die in the field for little additional gains might be a strategic choice for Putin not suddenly finding himself in unexpected exile or "unexpected exile"

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

like, I think russia learned that lesson after ww1 right?

[-] sepi@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Remember when there were idiots saying The real russian army is on the other side of the urals?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

haha yes, still waiting to see these units! imagine, they've been fighting with one arm behind their back this entire time because they're terribly good sportsmen and 'tis only a special military operation, pfft.

[-] regdog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

A "healthy supply" my ass.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Do you think Russia is low on troops?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno... you tell me:

The mobilized have little or no leave, they are required to stay in the fight years after their enlistment.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/26/despite-huge-manpower-losses-how-is-russia-replenishing-its-military

they're sending their best tho

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/11/13/desperate-for-new-army-recruits-russian-authorities-resort-to-planting-drugs-and-posting-fake-job-ads

https://nypost.com/2025/08/27/world-news/desperate-russia-is-recruiting-civilians-in-occupied-ukraine-suffering-from-hiv-and-infectious-diseases-to-fill-ranks-report/

well maybe some uh, help from abroad!

https://warontherocks.com/2024/09/strangers-in-the-motherland-the-dynamics-of-russias-foreign-recruitment/

yeah only the finest

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-desperately-recruits-criminals-homeless-and-football-thugs-for-expendable-army/ar-AA1IZz9m

meanwhile the mobilization is hurting their entire economy.

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-conscription-casualties-russia-ukraine-mobilization-recruitment-1966148

which is really just built on resource extraction (that Ukraine has beaten the absolute shit out of recently) and arms sales (no one is looking at Russia's war in Ukraine as a testament to Russian arms superiority lol).

Do I think Russia is low on troops? Yeah, yeah I do. It's taken years but yes.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for compiling those articles. MSN Newsweek nypost aljazera are high quality outlets to be taken extremely seriously.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

sigh.... do you think they'd drag north korean self propelled arty across the entire continent, just to lose them to drones too, if they had any fucking choice?

https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3m22txhlyzk2o

there's no argument that will sway you, no evidence that will give you pause to reconsider.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 week ago

Lmao you're an idiot. How can you reach these conclusions. You only provided evidence of arty being destroyed from a good source thats it the rest you made up.

No I dont think they were forced to drag artillery all the way over from north Korea. Russia has ties with NK and it was a opportunity for NK troops to get experience and foster closer ties with Russia. This was a chance for russia to push boundaries and escalate to test NATOs.

Its rough losing that gear no doubt and russia has been forced to becomr more cautious with assets than in the beginning of the war. Do you think they would reject a ceasefire that allows them to keep all captured territory if they were low on troops and being forced to bring in low skill NK troops?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No I dont think they were forced to drag artillery all the way over from north Korea.

ah the north korean self propelled artillery flew on fairy wings from NK.

roger that.

Or you don't think it's NK at all? pfft.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's important to note that russia will never "run out" of anything. Making tube artillery isn't hard (compared to say, modern radar systems or nightvision gear), and they can just keep making more.

What they're running out of are the ungodly amounts of cold war reserves meant to rush the Fulda Gap. The "free" soviet holdovers that Russia could re-mobilize relatively easy is finally gone, after using up all the easy stuff, all the kinda-hard stuff, and now also the not-quite-a-rusted-scrappiece-yet.

But they CAN still make new guns, it's just much slower than pulling them out of storage. And that means Russia will have far fewer guns in the field. And that's kind of a big problem for a military that has spent the last century basically centered around massed tube artillery and tanks.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Making tube artillery isn’t hard (compared to say, modern radar systems or nightvision gear), and they can just keep making more.

ehhh.... harder than you think. there's a lot of metallurgy involved with the forging, requiring chromium they have to import (chromed barrels last MUCH longer, 2-3 times more rounds per tube). Then once you have a barrel blank, you have a very tight precision dance of taking that blank and boring out the tube, breech and other complex bits - these processes take time and more importantly, western sourced equipment that hasn't been replaced since the early 2010s. If you half ass it the barrel explodes, so it's a touchy bit of work. https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/artillery_barrel_production_in_russia_structure_importance_and_weak_points-12151.html

the fact that they're fielding north korean arty in ukraine tells me whatever stores they had must be running low, because how else do you justify moving self propelled guns from manchuria to europe? https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-destroys-fifth-north-korean-artillery-system-one-month-2050575

edit: some of these that got popped yesterday !

https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3m22txhlyzk2o

And that’s kind of a big problem for a military that has spent the last century basically centered around massed tube artillery and tanks.

this is a very good point, RU has traditionally leaned really hard on the massed artillery aspect of warfare and that isn't going to be as easy an option moving forward

[-] regdog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

"Never running out of anything" is a stupid claim.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 weeks ago

So the war isn't a dump truck?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

only if they fit into the series of tubes.

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