If we got rid of cops, who's going to come to your aid when you call 911 and they don't show up until 45 minutes to 6 hours later?
Better judged by 12 than buried by 6.
My favorite is "let me yell sit the fuck down at you while I shove you to the ground and plant drugs next to you so I have reasonable suspicion to arrest you".
you forgot to add that their partners are simultaneously yelling "hands up" , "lay down" , and "turn around"
We out here doing the hokey pokey fr
Shouting all this as he's beating you handcuffed and on the ground
Ah but what if you're a victim of a crime? Definitely don't ask victims of crimes what their opinions on the police are after having to call them.
Well, the live ones, anyway...
I called the cops once after my apartment was broken into. They stomped around, flipped all my shit over, and "dusted for fingerprints." Then they accused me of attempting insurance fraud because I said I had more electronics than they expected.
I've never known a victim of a crime who was relieved after police intervention. Have you?
They demanded to know what my weed bowl was for when my home was broken into among other things that night. Funny that they found my legal pot but not the cut window screen or the footprints on the bed next to it as they insisted we must have left the front door unlocked
The other night I called the police on a reckless driver. They responded quickly and immediately. I'm happy to live in a place where cops aren't quite as insane.
Most areas have good cops, the problem is that many (most?) areas also have bad cops, and those bad cops don't face consequences.
Absolutely correct. ACAB is childish and oversimplified, MCAB is based and realistic.
For those downvoting, go watch some videos online about police interactions. Most of them involve the police violating peoples' rights (that sells clicks), but there are still a ton of great interactions where the police knows the limits of the law and doesn't get near them.
Good cops exist, and they should be recognized and rewarded instead of lumped in with the bad ones. I'm happy to provide an example or two if someone can't find them.
I agree with this sentiment, with one caveat. The idiom “One bad apple spoils the bunch”.
Until the good cops start policing the bad ones, we can’t know which we’re dealing with and so must begin every interaction with self preservation in mind, as if it will be with the bad one. That sours even the good cops, eventually reinforcing the idea of “us against them” and turning them into future bad ones.
The entire process is just flawed.
Some of them do though. I've seen videos where police arrest other police. They do exist, and they should be rewarded. Instead, the courts often give bad cops a pass.
The problem is "qualified immunity" and the police union, which has fought to make it nearly impossible to hold courts accountable.
This is definitely not normal though. Chicken shit cops are afraid of blowback and ultimately do nothing. ACAB
Again, there are good cops and bad cops. Unfortunately, the good cops who actually arrest bad cops don't get the recognition they deserve.
It's not about the few good cops that don't get enough recognition - that's not what ACAB means. ACAB means that the police as an institution is flawed on a foundational, systemic level and a few good actors don't cancel that out.
It's just not fruitful to discuss what a few outliers do well if it's a failure of the government on a systemic level to have reasonable police officers. The job itself invites power-tripping men into it who want to abuse power, and they get away with it because there's not enough disciplinary measures taken from higher-ups and the government to counteract that.
It's like when women talk about their bad experiences with men and that they're afraid to be around them and a man chimes in to say "but not all men are like that". Yes, people know - it's obvious - but it just doesn't add anything of value to the conversation. It doesn't change the fact that the majority have these tendencies, and it's not a surprise when people are not fans of either.
It’s just not fruitful to discuss what a few outliers do well if it’s a failure of the government on a systemic level to have reasonable police officers
I disagree. I think pointing out and rewarding good policework while simultaneously attacking bad policework helps clarify what the public expects.
If you say something like "defund the police" or "ACAB," that's going to put police generally on the defensive, and now you need to fight against the powerful police union. If you instead call out specific bad actors and also good actors, you can work with the police union to find solutions.
Yes, we need reform in the police system, and that means some combination of better training, higher consequences, and better enforcement of police policies. I think the average cop would agree with you, so why not work with them?
There is no such thing as a good cop because "good cops" still uphold the racist and bigoted system of oppression and are a tool for the wealthy elite.
A "good cop" will stand by watching while the bad cops rape and murder the populace.
Fuck cops and ACAB.
The world isn't so black and white. There are good cops and bad cops and everything in between. Good cops join because they want to make the world a better place, and bad cops join because they're attracted to the power and authority of the badge.
A good cop will arrest a bad cop given sufficient evidence, and I've seen several documented cases of that happening. Some districts are really good about that and are led by a great chief, others are rotten throughout.
The police system certainly needs reform and better checks, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad.
Indeed. That's why I don't deserve this ticket, Your Honor.
By this point I believe they don't have quotas per se, but their department is wise to the fact that suspicious gaps in ticket issuing probably means the guys are asleep in their car somewhere, and bust their balls.
Depends on where you are. Many departments have explicit quotas, even if they don't call them as such. However, some states have banned them
which is such bullshit anyways, because why the fuck are police acting as traffic control
they should be out doing more important things, and there should be a separate organization for vehicles
A certain Mr Peel had some ideas about policing, namely that it needs to be by consent of the population.
You know, there is this one simple trick to avoid getting a speeding ticket. Coppers hate it.
Being rich and white?
That also gets you out of manslaughter charges I heard.
DRIVE. SLOWER. I sympathize with a lot of the complaints about law enforcement, but goddamn it, go the fucking speed limit.
If everyone is exceeding the speed limit, maybe that means the speed limit should be higher.
I'm of the opinion that we should eliminate speeding as a primary violation and refocus police on catching reckless drivers. Of the three tickets I've gotten, two were on empty roads and one I was going with the ow of traffic, and my crime was being from out of state. I wasn't a hazard to anyone or driving aggressively (e.g. serving between cars), but I was technically exceeding the limit. I tend to drive about 5-10 mph over tilhe limit on the highway, and 0-5 over on city streets, because that's what the flow of traffic is. On the flipside, almost every week I have a close call from someone driving aggressively (often below the limit due to traffic), and enforcement is pretty lax there.
I understand it's easier to enforce speeding, but I'm not co convinced it's actually a safety issue. Yes, speeding is often involved in other crimes, but it's merely because of you're breaking other laws (e.g. driving drunk, weaving in traffic, etc), you're also likely speeding. The only time I've seen speeding be an issue is when there are other hazards, like snow or rain, in which case even going the speed limit is unsafe and you should drive to the conditions instead of the posted limit.
Raising the speed limit just makes already dangerous roads even more dangerous. Its just physics in the end. A collision at 50mph is way more dangerous than one at 40mph. Enforce the speed limits with automated cameras and let people get used to needing a few extra minutes to get places in light traffic. Yeah I know its annoying you've got a big fast car and a wide road and it feels safe to you, but statistically it just isn't and just because it probably won't be you who loses a limb or dies in an accident, doesn't mean its fine.
I've seen studies that show a positive correlation between increasing speed limits and accident rates. So I get that. On the flipside, the German autobahn is safer than US highways, and many parts of that network have no speed limits.
What's the difference? Driver training and vehicle maintenance. Getting a license is expensive there, so far fewer people get a license vs in the US, where it's practically mandatory.
Looking at the stats, most of the accidents seem to be explained by weather conditions, inexperience (age), or alcohol consumption, and it makes complete sense for those to be exacerbated by higher speed, especially when vehicle maintenance isn't happening consistently.
I think the ideal solution is a mix of reducing enforcement of speed, increasing enforcement of other laws (reckless driving, passing on the right, impaired driving, etc), mandatory safety checks, and regular retests of driving ability. I think there's a good chance that mixture could reduce overall traffic accidents.
Defunding police may sound simple but it's proving to be tricky
Wouldn't that result in more tickets? They're not going to cut staff, they'll just get more aggressive.
I’m sure quotas are real but I’ve never really seen them as being a meaningful issue to get worked up about. Maybe they are more widespread than I realize.
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