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[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago

If we were smart, we'd realise that the fascists have done a lot of our legwork for us with their sustained attacks on "libruuuls!", allowing us the opportunity to properly problematise liberalism in a way that the left has utterly failed to do all throughout the second half of the 20th century right up til now.

Unfortunately, I just don't think we're that smart - they do say not to interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake, but the point's moot if you don't bother taking advantage of said mistake.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Except their attacks have been against things we support, such as equality, humanity, and basic decency. They haven’t been attacking the liberals for capitalism, they attack them for supporting trans people &c.

Likewise the people who are targets of said legwork, are not the people we want on our side. They’re the nutcases who believe whatever some “strongman” type tells them, and lack any critical thinking ability.

Truth in the Liberals are the only ones you can convert, and they’re shockingly enough defensive about “libruul” complaints after sustaining them from fascists.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Except their attacks have been against things we support,

That doesn't matter at all - the vast majority of fascists gets hysterical about the term woke without even knowing what it means.

Counterpropaganda isn't just about countering propaganda directly - it's about using the enemy's narrative contradictions to sow confusion and doubt amongst the faithful.

Truth in the Liberals are the only ones you can convert,

Good luck with that. Those liberals you think you can convert? Those will be the exact people who will prioritise their privilege when push comes to shove - did you notice how all these (so-called) "progressives" fell down on Palestine as soon as the political pressure ramped up after Oct 7? That's your "converted" liberals.

You can't radicalise liberals - all you're managing to do is tmaking it easier for them to co-opt you.

You don't have to believe me - Malcolm X laid all this out long before either of us were born.

"The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the Black man... The liberal elements function as the camouflage for the establishment, and they are more dangerous because they deceive the people."

And...

“The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox.”

The actual role that liberalism plays in deradicalising and co-opting the left is a far greater danger to the left than the violence of fascists. In fact, without liberal co-optation it's highly probable that fascist violence will even succeed against the left.

Again... good luck "converting" that.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Anarchists, you ignorant slut!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Really awkward to say that when you've got the CIA standing right next to you.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Thats just how leftist organizing in the US is tbh

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 7 points 2 days ago

if democrats could read, this would really insult them.

[-] GooseGang@beehaw.org 6 points 2 days ago

🔅 beautiful meme 🔅 but getting a popular left leaning party into the federal government would take more than grassroots organizing 🫠

[-] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I just saw Dwight's "is it though..." face. Now I need to reqatch the clip and see his entire reaction

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

My fav. res. here on 🧵🌐:

You won't convince anyone to anarchism with that tone/language/rhetoric

[-] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Liberals need to understand that to the Left of them and the right of them, there are people doing everything they can to collapse the system and stop trying to appeal to these lunatics.

this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2025
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