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[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 69 points 2 months ago

Thanks for including the mirror, OP.

Companies that obtain mobile phone location data generally do it in two different ways. The first is through software development kits (SDKs) embedded in ordinary smartphone apps, like games or weather forecasters. These SDKs continuously gather a user’s granular location, transfer that to the data broker, and then sell that data onward or repackage it and sell access to government agencies.

The second is through real-time bidding (RTB). When an advert is about to be served to a mobile phone user, there is a near instantaneous, and invisible, bidding process in which different companies vie to have their advert placed in front of certain demographics. A side-effect is that this demographic data, including mobile phones’ location, can be harvested by surveillance firms. Sometimes spy companies buy ad tech companies out right to insert themselves into this data supply chain. We previously found at least thousands of apps were hijacked to provide location data in this way.

I really despise these practices. I don't know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

That’s easy. You just ignore your conscience because money speaks louder to these people.

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 2 months ago

Jesus fucking Christ. Time to delete the two games I’ve ever downloaded. Dunno if that even helps at this point.

[-] Beacon@fedia.io 12 points 2 months ago

It's not specific to games, it's all apps that have ads

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago

I should have just went back to the flip phone like ten years ago.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I don’t know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.

Have you seen the job market for programmers lately? It feels like it's almost all for AI slop, abusive rentier middleman business models that add no real value, ~~defense~~ war contractors, or all of the above at once.

That's not to say that it's acceptable for people to work those jobs with a clear conscience; it's to say that for a bunch of people the only ethical options would be to remain unemployed or leave the industry.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

This reminds me of something... What was it... Hmm...

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

And that was before the NSA leaks.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

And in case it wasn't already clear enough how absurd this all is, the creeps at Palantir are now actually so brazen as to officially call one of their mass surveillance systems "Project Gotham"...brave new world.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 months ago

They're openly mocking us being dumbfounded and complacent.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

I guess calling it "Project Barad Dur" was a bit too on the nose after they named themselves Palantir.

[-] Arondeus@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Hmm can't seem to load the archive site so haven't read the whole thing. Anyone know details of how this works? Are we all fucked if we have a phone or is staying off social media and hardening security with something like Graphene OS enough to keep you out of their system?

[-] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

GrapheneOS already runs google play services in a sandbox that doesn't have core access to the device's functionality (you can lie about giving apps storage access or location data, for example), and because you already have alternatives to ad-based services (CoMaps, Thunderbird, etc...) you should be safe from telemetry often hidden inside of popular apps like Google Maps.

Nothing's bulletproof, of course, but the difference with GrapheneOS is that you can see what's going on, grant permissions selectively to certain apps, or opt out entirely by only installing F-droid apps or using Graphene's FOSS suite. You don't have pre-baked telemetry at all, so nothing for them to harvest.

[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

A proper Linux phone cannot come soon enough

[-] StefanT@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.

[-] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.

[-] StefanT@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This would be a flight mode switch that reliably works. But it also means you are offline, which is no solution to the average "daily" problem of being tracked.

[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

If the spyware/tracking started and ended at the cell tower it would be a good start. I'm not sure the sensor data would be sent to the tower either. It would just be a general area.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Looking forward to joining you guys in the upcoming rebellion.

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

But I am le tired

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Bro...my weather app is selling my data? 😦

I just wanted up-to-date travel conditions in a convenient widget. My taxes already pay for the meteorology, why do they need to sell my data too??

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Next we'll be reading how android has removed the ability to disable location

[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

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