I’m honestly quite tired of remasters. Why can’t we see some new original games?
The original Deus Ex is this bizarre mixture of jank, camp, and sheer brilliance. So much of what made the game amazing was unintentional and contingent with the era. A remaster is never going to be able to recapture that lightning in a bottle. It’s always going to be soulless.
There's never been such an abundance of games and consoles as there is now. There are more games than anyone could ever play, both new and old. Releasing another poorly made remaster doesn't mean no ones making new original games. I don't think there hasn't been a year I didn't play an original, engaging and creative new video game. It's literally the golden age of gaming.
The diversity and quantity of videogames accessible today is crazy.
I really liked Human Revolution.
Never finished Mankind Divided though
Never finished Mankind Divided though
Neither did Eidos-Montréal, apparently.
Mankind Divided was the best Deus Ex since the original tbh. Such a shame that we'll never get a sequel.
For sure. It was great. I've played every entry in the series and those 2 are the memorable ones.
Invisible war was awful but the hellfire boltcaster was immensely fun to use on the Templars lol.
TBH I am happy they're remastering some older games. I missed out on a lot of stuff because I was doing other things when a lot of highly regarded games came out (sold my PS1 to buy crack). So I've recently got a steam deck and played bioshock - really enjoyed it - and system shock is in my queue. I'm not sure I'd have been so keen to try them if they'd had the original graphics, that shit looks so dated now. But yeah, maybe they're taking the remaster thing a bit too far.
The original Deus Ex is perfectly playable today as long as you follow a guide to get it patched up and configured for a modern system. Plus it runs at a rock steady frame rate on any PC today, whereas it didn’t at the time of release (it was very laggy, buggy, and crashed a lot).
The game is definitely meant for mouse and keyboard though. You need some very high precision aiming and a steady hand to cope with the scope wobble (unless you train to master level).
Yeah I never played that either. I'm up for giving it a go, though. But I'm not great at precision controls, now I'm getting old my reactions aren't so quick and my hands are pretty wrecked. But yeah there's lots of old games I've missed out on and I'm enjoying catching up. Plus some of the new stuff is incredible for someone who was raised on 8 bit graphics.
Oh you don’t need quick reactions for Deus Ex. It can be played in a very slow and methodical way. It’s just that you need precision to get the most out of the sniper scopes (which can be used on multiple weapons).
The Enhanced Edition for System Shock makes it perfectly suitable for anyone used to FPS controls, the "remaster" changes so much that it is hardly the same game.
Ah interesting. I'll be playing on a steam deck, which edition would you recommend?
Enhanced Edition is by far the best way to play System Shock, it's controls are a little mouse centric, but the mouse pad on the steam deck should be plenty suitable for mouse things like playing an audio log. Other than that, EE lets you control it like a typical FPS and you can bind controls for switching weapons and whatnot to avoid the UI
If you want to play System Shock, the OG or EE is the only way to get the real experience, IMO the remaster sanded away many of the parts that made it unique (while adding some that make it less unique, like a crafting system for some reason?) to the point that it kinda loses its identity
I didn't ask for this.
The original looks fine; it's gone from 'okay for 2000', through to 'dated' and back to 'retro charm' again. Plus you can turn up the resolution and fps to silly levels, which wasn't the originally intended effect but is pretty nice.
All early 3D games look so bad that the slight year-on-year improvements are nearly irrelevant now. A hideous AI texture 'upgrade' doesn't bring it to to modern standards, and distracts from the truly amazing game behind it all.
The funny thing is the original is only playable with fan patches so technically I can see demand for a remaster. They just really fumbled this in a weird way.
As a fan of Brutalmoose’s retro streams, this is an affront
I didn’t ask for this.
My first thought. I still regularly see the original in top 10 lists to this day. Not sure who asked for this.
I still regularly see the original in top 10 lists to this day.
you just answered yourself, idk what is wrong with people lmao. why do they feel the need to complain about everything.
So you're saying they're trying to cash in on the game's popularity with a crappy remaster? You're either a troll or you need to work on your logical deduction skills if you can't figure out why people are complaining.
It goes from early PS2 graphics to mid PS2 graphics
That's really a shame. Deus Ex deserves a full ground up remake.
Wrapped plastic - not fantastic.
Everything's got that wet toy sheen. Wow, so realistic. Much specular.
holy shit that looks bad.
If you have deus ex through steam, you can also get revision through steam and revision looks pretty good in my opinion.
Honestly I rather have Nightdive studios remake it
All my fears came true when I saw it wasn't Nightdive doing it. Nightdive wouldn't have changed shit mechanically, they would have just incorporated GMDX/Revision textures.
I bet there's modpacks out there that make the game look 100 times better than this remaster.
I wonder if they're still dealing with engine limitations? Not excusing them, because the feedback is actually on point if you see the screenshots/trailer. But I'm wondering if there's a poly count limit or something.
They're clearly bolting on the graphical improvements on top of this antiquated engine, rather than rewriting it. I wonder if they need to "trick" the engine (like with RTX Remix, where the game isn't "aware" of the changes).
These are the recommended system requirements. Not sure what they are doing behind the scenes but they are absolutely ridiculous for a game of this scope.
It's even dumber: look at the minimum requirements, too. The insane difference between the minimum and recommended tell me that it's the original engine with a ton of shit bolted on top.
That's the only reason they'd recommend a 2080 or above -- just sheer brute force. I hope I'm wrong, but I smell an unoptimized rerelease. Someone mentioned this studio remastered a Star Wars game (I forget which) and apparently it didn't go well.
We needed Nightdive studios for this.
Aspyr is the company, it's not really a 'studio' - they're a porting house that used to port PC games to MacOS, poorly (but beggars could not be choosers in the post win95 world, crappy Aspyr port or none at all)
I didn't realize it was Aspyr (like you mentioned, I'm familiar with their earlier Mac ports of Windows games). Still sucks.
Windows 11
Get the fuck right out of here with that shit
You don't play OG deus ex for the graphics or... Combat tbh, but this seems like a half ass coat of paint instead of anything of real substance. You can already play Deus ex on modern hardware so I don't know what you're really getting here.
Actually I'll just leave it at this is both hideous and insulting.
But the release date will be current year so idiots will buy it over the original.
They will more than likely remove the OG from the store and have the remaster replace it.
You really think so? Shit, brb, picking up a copy.
Hate to break it to you, but this usually also comes with a forced update to your OG copy. At least, Bethesda and Nightdive have been doing that a lot.
It's on GOG, and currently 50% off too!
Useless like most of remasters
you are speaking like that is fact rather than opinion. what would make it "useful" for you though? i understand not caring for remasters personally but that is a pretty insane blanket statement to me.
the original is 25 fucking years old now, this brings the game to an entire new generation, new consoles, etc. and provides those with nostalgia to relive what they remember. if you think the OG deus ex looks good in the slightest you are way too deep in nostalgia. no depth, no shadows, and barely any contrast though 🔥
i mean no one has even tried it yet, how in the hell can you say its bad already?
Do you work for Aspyr or something?
nice, very genuine and thought provoking response. i am just trying to understand and no one has given a good explanation in my opinion. seriously i love how every response is just dodging absolutely everything i say.
any actual thoughts or are you just angry and need something to be pissy about?
I'll reply to you because seems you really care about it, and also because many players have your same position: No, a game doesn't looks bad just because it's old, like all the masterpieces ( and I'm not referring to Deus Ex in particular). Many players wrongly think everything needs to be updated to modern aesthetics, but you do not want to touch a great game just for that, that's a commercial reason only. Real remastereds should just put a crt-shader on top of the game, in most cases.
i think the textures in the original deus ex look like ass and are so flat. the style is not good at all in my opinion. i think plenty of old games and lots of pixel art looks great but that shit looks terrible. it had a great story and decent gameplay.
that is your opinion about remasters, but in reality a large majority would be pissed if they just threw a CRT shader on. thats lazy as fuck.
big assumptions youre making there.
That's not an opinion but a fact: we are talking about remasters, not remake, the only purpose of a remaster in any art is to be faithful to the original. If many videogamers are confused about this is due to "the industry".
But now I'm talking about semantics here and that's not what I want to do; the important aspect is to point out how this type of videogames are useless: just look for new ones...or go for a mod if you like it partially...or enjoy this new versions but don't be surprised when they are shadowed by the original games.
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