Yes, I am upset that the GOP is wantonly criminal and shut the government down.

I have been a Dem voter in the past, never again. I don't care what they do anymore, I have no illusions that they work for our benefit.

I think a lot of arguments on all sides believe the voters have agency to select or control.

But that is not the case. Even if the USA was a democracy like the UK, France or Canada; there would not be too many choices.

But the USA has so much cheating during elections, in so many states, and that is so fundamentally ignored by most anyone vested in these debates.

This makes discussion, ignoring all that, a parody of political debate

What really shows (this time around) how the democratic party is the party of complicity was rolling over for the big beautiful bill instead of forcing changes to it when it was in the house because of the threat of shutdown in the second month of this administration.

Can't negotiate with this shithead, he'll do it anyway. Everyone knows that so everything they're doing is just political theater.

This is the exact result they want, because it serves their class well.

Hell no....why give the Republicans support to continue to disassemble the country and violate our constitution rights....shut it all down