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First thing I do when I get a smart appliance is scan it with nmap. This has revealed some interesting Easter eggs, like my Davis instruments air quality sensors having a local REST API.

Doing the usual scan against my GE washer and dryer shows that port 53 is listening. What could that be for? Is there a way I can at least query their status locally or something?

When I got the washer and dryer I was excited about the smart home features because getting an alert when my laundry is done or starting the washer remotely so the clothes are done when I get home are genuinely useful features. However, last time I checked the app none of that was available, so I just have these Trojan horses in my home spying on me with no benefit in exchange. Their app wanted my freaking mailing address when I signed up for their mandatory account, so the features mentioned above are the least they could offer in exchange for my digital soul. But I digress.

My fridge is in a similar situation. It commits the additional cardinal sin of ONLY being controllable via the app, with no on-board temp or filter status indicators whatsoever.

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Upon installation LG's app helpfully informed me that to be notified that my LG refrigerator temperature is high or my washer's cycle is complete I am expected to inform a Korean company of my exact location at all times. The reason LG gives for this bullshit is "analytics". There is no way in hell.

I disconnected my LG appliances from wifi, deleted their spyware from my phone and duplicated the functions with Home Assistant. A couple of inexpensive sensors and a power monitoring plug provide almost all same functions without getting Korea (or the Internet) involved at all. Surprisingly this setup is much more reliable than LG's spyware too.

[-] decended_being@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Which sensors did you use? I like how the oven can display how many minutes left, same with the laundry stuff.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For the washer a smart plug with power monitoring. The current draw goes to almost zero when the cycle's finished. A Zigbee vibration sensor for the dryer (or another smart plug if it's a gas dryer) and temperature sensor for the fridge. All in they were less than $20.

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[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Or the old fashion way, don't BUY them.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Seriously. The dryer needs a mandatory account?

That’d be a No.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The trouble is, you don't know how bad the shit is until after you get it home, unless you do a large amount of research beforehand.

Frankly, at this point I think the better tactic is to buy the smart appliances and then return them as "not fit for purpose," even though that takes even more effort, because it punishes the manufacturer in a way that merely not buying the thing in the first place does not.

[-] ragas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Read the device manuals online. It usually tells you what you need to know

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

They are doing their absolute best to make that impossible too.

With Bosch, who is normally a very good appliance manufacturer, you have to register your product with them to even be able to download the stripped down user manual.

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

i have to wonder if people even research the things they buy or if they just walk into the store with 2000€ and say "give me a washing machine", and never see the machine until the crew comes home to install it.

It's an expensive piece of machinery that is going to be a core part of your home for like 10 years, check the manual and online reviews to make sure it doesn't have a major flaw you'd be unhappy with, please.

[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Yea, I don't understand sales either. I drive into the BIG city and pass a new car lot that has a sign on the sidewalk that says "Ford truck month".

I want to know WHO is driving down the street and SEES that sign then thinks to themselves "OH, I forgot to buy a truck this month"?

The sign was there for half a year.

[-] nogooduser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Those messages are not aimed at everyone passing by. They are aimed at people already considering buying a truck and hope to influence their decision.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First thing I do when I get a smart appliance is scan it with nmap.

A wonderful habit. I will try to copy it from you :)

About your main question, I can only guess that it's for the initial setup of these appliances. Initially, they know nothing about your Wifi situation. So maybe they open up their own Wifi and connect their app so that you can enter some info. Afterwards, maybe some services continue to run there...

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[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Maybe for mDNS so the app can discover the appliance.

[-] echo@lemmy.tf 2 points 1 week ago

If you want your fridge to tell you its temp, just slap your own temp sensor in it. Put a mic by your laundry machine to detect the buzzer and alert you. DIY all the things, don't give these "smart" appliance companies money to spy on you.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Laundry machine can be monitored reliably with a smart socket.

Here is a blueprint for HomeAssistant that has been working well: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/detect-and-monitor-the-state-of-an-appliance-based-on-its-power-consumption-v2-1-1-updated/421670

[-] claude_flammang@dju.social 1 points 1 week ago

@okamiueru
For over one year now Homeassistant has been reliably announcing the end of the cycle by flashing all smart lights in RV before switching them back to their original state. What i like most is the fact that with the same reliability the washer beeps thirty seconds later.

The only issue I see is that getting most sensors to work in the fridge/freezer is difficult for 2 reasons, the cold fucks with the batteries and the metal body of the fridge fucks with the signal.

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Simple, just drill a hole into the fridge and use a probe from outside.

/s just in case

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is a legit strategy.

Or just use thin enamelled copper wire connected to the sensor and tape it down where the door closes, no drilling required.

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[-] sramder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I just used zigbee and put a repeater right next to the fridge. The big ass coin cells in the sonoff temp sensors are lasting around 6 months. Would probably be longer but I have the sensor with a screen in there.

Obviously YMMV if you have a SubZero or something, but in my jankey LG it works fine.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You mention it’s listening on port 53, but have you actually tried DNS queries to see how it responds? Will it resolve www.google.com or <reverse_ip>.in-address.arpa?

[-] fubarx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Most appliances connect using a cheap microprocessor like an ESP-32 which provides both WiFi and BLE.

If there's a DNS server running, it's usually for mDNS/ZeroConf service discovery. Usually so it can easily get provisioned via a smart speaker or hub.

More details here: https://circuitlabs.net/dns-server-and-dns-sd-implementation/

[-] Greddan@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

The only thing LG makes that's of any value are OLED-panels. The TVs they build around them however suck ass now.

[-] early_riser@lemmy.radio 0 points 1 week ago

For those who are saying I shouldn't have bought these half-baked smart appliances, I agree. But I wasn't always this aware of the privacy issues involved. The washer and dryer were purchased before I grasped how problematic cloud-connected always online IoT devices are, and as mentioned in the OP the ability to tell me when my laundry was done seemed like a genuinely useful feature. In the case of the fridge it was an emergency replacement and we took what fit the preexisting niche in our kitchen, and the complete lack of output on the fridge itself necessitated the app.

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