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[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social -2 points 11 hours ago

Well... I definitely didn't like her just listing out this big rapid fire list of names who are Officially Bad People now, and we can't support them. So I picked one at random and decided to look it up.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/07/05/british-rocker-morrissey-calls-israel-gods-country-during-sold-out-concert-in-northern-israel/

Morrissey has been vocal in the past about his support for Israel, has appeared on stage in Tel Aviv draped in an Israeli flag, and called the Boycott, Divestment and Sanction (BDS) movement against Israel “absurd and narrow-minded” in an interview with the German newspaper Der Spiegel. He was given the key to Tel Aviv in 2012.

Well, that's pretty fucked, sure.

Taylor Swift? WTF

https://brusselsmorning.com/does-taylor-swift-support-israel-silence-and-fan-backlash/75083/

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/growing-number-swifties-are-calling-taylor-swift-break-silence-gaza-rcna154569

IDK man. People can say what they want to say. The genocide in Gaza is so bad that I kind of get it if you want to say Taylor is being wrong if she doesn't say anything, but I still don't really like this thing of saying someone is officially a bad person until they say what we want them to say. People can say what they want. There's this weird fine line between "I am advocating for what I believe in because this cause is so morally unambiguous, honestly, you should too" (which it sounds like Taylor's fans are doing) and "... and you need to advocate for it too, or else fuck your ticket sales, SAY WHAT I WANT YOU TO SAY OR YOU'RE BAD."

(And so Roger Waters says, "The whole bloody lot of 'em." WTF dude, you didn't even know who was on the list and not until this lady listed off all the names to you, you clearly have no idea what they actually said or didn't say.)

IDK man. I watched more of it, and I kind of like what Roger Waters had to say. He pulled up this thing about Nick Cave that was actually really damning, and got upset about it (as he should). But this lady is just an idiot. Taylor Swift is on the exact same list as David Draiman. "If you're an American Jew, chances are you've been brainwashed." She's just out here with this weird grimace on her face, finding reasons to yell about how these random people from this random list her Twitter followers assembled for her are bad now.

[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

Taylor swift is a billionaire, can't be a good person by definition

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social -3 points 3 hours ago

Out of all the billionaires, people want to pick on the one who got there actually by her own merit instead of by taking advantage

[-] orvorn@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 hours ago

I don't see Taylor Swift as any different from any other billionaire. It is not possible to accrue that much wealth on your own merit. She didn't get there through album sales, she got there through hoarding real estate and becoming a landlord, and investing heavily in the corporations that have ruined our lives.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social -2 points 2 hours ago

She literally sang songs, people liked them, and each of those people individually decided to pay money for the songs, and some of it went to her. She has this large wealth because she directly created what was going to create the enjoyment on the behalf of that large a number of people. Almost every other billionaire is there because they were able to set up an empire where someone else's hard work and talent went into their pocket instead, but hers is different.

I get it if you want to say that the system should change so that everyone involved in the physical intermediate steps of the process should also get a thriving wage, even if she gets less, and yes that is definitely accurate. But saying "she's a bad person" as a result and in particular that you don't see her as "any different" from Elon Musk or Larry Ellison is just living in a big virtue-signaling fantasy world.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Silence is complicity.

[-] Miro_Collas@masto.ai 1 points 11 hours ago

@PhilipTheBucket To be honest, I don't like her either, and I tend to avoid her vids/interviews. However, I was curious as to what Waters had to say, so I basically tuned her out.

I also wasn't all that interested in random celebs. I don't buy modern music so it has no effect on my spending or support for any of them.

But overall, yes, I agree with you.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 2 hours ago

Yeah. Like imagine if someone had made this exact same video about Roger Waters, picking out his weird public statements about Ukraine and then lumping him in with a bunch of people who said things that were much worse, saying he's a POS, brainwashed, and fuck him, and putting him on their enemies list as a result. It's just weird. People can say what they want to say.

I mean I generally liked Nick Cave's music quite a lot, so finding out he is a POS in at least this one respect was definitely relevant I guess. I agree with you, I didn't have much issue with anything Roger himself had to say. But the host is the literal personification of the right-wing "cancel culture" caricature.

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