This comes with trump and its another shot at us. Class warfare!
Here's why:
they are a greedy company
Money is the reason. I don’t need to read the article to know.
Its always the reason. Why is this thing shit? Because money greed.
It's a video...
Thanks for the heads up, now I know not to open it
Enjoy your clickbait
Yeah, I only watched it, because it's on PeerTube.
I read somewhere that GrapheneOS devs have a strategy which they believe will work -- they strip out something or other about app/device attestation (?) from APK files before installing occurs, or the enforcement code itself from their spin of the OS, so sideloading (ie., user-controlled installation) can still work.
I sure hope so... I think everyone in their respective country needs to scream at their local regulators about this.
Of course, this will only help those whose devices GrapheneOS can run on.
Shouldn't they be keeping bypass strategies a secret right now?
Shouldn’t they be keeping bypass strategies a secret right now?
They're up against a company with more money and developers than they know what to do with. This is, at most, a game of cat and mouse. Secrecy will buy them a sprint or so.
If Google wants to go nuclear, they can do some rolling encryption bullshit or put a million calls all over the OS to check app validity and stop open source altogether.
and bloat default android devices even more! 🎉
The GrapheneOS team is already in communications with an Android OEM to see if they can make a device that meets their specs, hopefully that bears fruit in a year or two.
Do you have source to this?
Just check the project's X account. The OEM partnership is mentioned very regularly.
Hope it's a Chinese phone
Hope it's Fairphone.
Google has already shared how apps' developers will be verified. They're adding another app that will have access to block installing apps or disable them. That won't work on GrapheneOS because 1. the app won't be installed and 2. the app won't have that kind of privileged access.
ROFL we got redstarOS on mainstream phones before gta6
I think the issue is new hardware and google starting to close source android, so that Graphene devs don't have the open source to work with. They'll probably get binary blobs
It's my understanding that the changes that were made didn't make things more or less proprietary. Some drivers are still open source, others are still closed source. The device trees mostly have other things in them like configuration files and stuff like that.
It sounds OK for now, but it seems Google is on a path of closing things up like Apple.
And how long is it going to work?
Do we really want to play cat and mouse with Google? I don't.
The way Google will block apps with unverified developers won't work on GrapheneOS. The change won't be part of AOSP. On the stock OS, the functionality will be handled by another Google app that has privileged access. GrapheneOS won't be affected directly.
I hope so as well. This debacle with RCS not working on GrapheneOS has been a real dick-punch. I really don't want to go back to a stock OS.
I have accepted no RCS. I miss some of the features, sure, but until I can get more than one person to use something like signal I'll stick with insecure SMS thru a FOSS provider I guess.
I have like 40 people on Signal and regularly chat with a dozen of them there. Some people see the benefits, others don't. I am lucky.
It's my understanding that RCS was fixed for most users after this update: https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025092700. You may need to grant permissions to Google Play Services first, then clear Google Messages' storage, grant permissions to Google Messages, then try setting it up again.
It was not. I have been on the Discord #Testing channel working with others to troubleshoot. Those steps do not work.
It seemed to be fixed on the 20251003 release, a lot of people got it working for a while, including me. It died within 24 hours.
I said "most users". There are some who are still experiencing issues, which is being looked into. Other people have had issues that were fixed by clearing the storage for Google Play, Google Play Services, Google Messages, then granting all necessary permissions before launching Google Messages again.
This will face legal hurdles, especially in the EU and China. It reminds me of the time Microsoft played shell games with Chrome and Firefox and then lost eventually. That being said, it will kickstart a new mobile OS arms race, not necessarily to beat Android but for choices.
This will definitely not be challenged in the EU. It's the whole basis that makes chat control possible on a technical level.
The markets authority and antitrust offices are different people than the chat control people, they aren't a unified organisation, they will probably argue about it.
would love it if some viable linux based alternatives came out of this.
Android can be forked at any time
Above all, the organisation behind it must be or become sufficiently robust, like GNU/Linux, in order to take up the torch, but that requires a lot of financial backing.
It's not impossible, but in my opinion it won't happen right away and is likely to take time to implement. Once that's done, the only issue left will be installation (for users, that is).
I am not really sure, but i think i have read that google and android has to split up because of cartel laws at some point,
and i hope this might make things better (considering that like a lot of different companys do rely on android after all), but it is a fragile hope
That was a possibility, but if I'm not mistaken, it was either Chrome or Android.
And it seems to me that an agreement was reached on Chrome (but no sale planned). So I won't make any predictions. Especially when you see the lockdown on Android, something is brewing, and Google wouldn't allow that if it had to part with it.
Unless they are preparing for the separation by establishing as much interdependence as possible between the two in case of a takeover by another company with a partnership. Because otherwise, the community will know how to unravel and clean up the Android project.
EDIT:
If anything, I've just looked into it and it seems to be stronger than ever after this antitrust ruling. Because what you heard was more what the Ministry was asking the judge to do.
In the end, there will be no dismantling of Android or Chrome, no loss of revenue for "partners" such as Firefox.
There is an end to exclusive contracts, notably to prevent it from imposing Gemini or Chrome, but ONLY for one year. There is also data sharing, particularly related to parts of its search index, but no total obligation and nothing on advertising data, only interactions as a supplement.
It's as if it were letting its competitors take a look at its library without giving them the keys to the safe.
And to top it all off, it seems that Google is preparing a gradual merger of Chrome OS and Android for "greater hegemony". If anything, I've just looked and it seems to be stronger than ever after this antitrust decision. Because what you heard was more what the ministry was asking the judge.
In the end, there will be no dismantling of Android or Chrome, no loss of revenue for "partners" such as Firefox.
There is an end to exclusive contracts, in particular to prevent it from imposing Gemini or Chrome, but ONLY for one year. There will also be data sharing, particularly related to parts of its index, but no total obligation and nothing on advertising data, only interactions.
Here are my sources in French:
HarmonyOS already exists in China as a fork of android, I wonder if something similar may spawn from the EU
sigh and here I was looking forward to switching back to Android since I missed being able to install APKS...
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