You also have the circular investment. NVIDIA puts money into OpenAI. It uses that money to buy computing power from Oracle, who then fills its datacenters with hardware from NVIDIA. Everybody's valuation rises.
Edit: valuation, not validation
Insert 2 economists eating shit joke
Go on..
Two economists are walking in a forest when they Come across a pile of shit.
The first economist says to the other "Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.
They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says "l pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.
Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, "You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. can't help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing." "That's not true", responded the second economist. "We increased the GDP by $200!"
I knew this joke as two people selling a painting back and forth
Economists eating shit is funnier
Isn't this basically what influencers do?
I'll pay you with exposure :)
Arguably OpenAI has actual influence unlike anyone calling themselves "influencer", but yes
The list of publicly traded influencers is very short.
Or you know, buy the chips fair and square, buy the stock fair and square, provide a service that's worth something, and make profit from both transactions.
You just dont understand business!
/s
It is way more work to provide value than it is to bribe the regulators to agree that you provided value.
Isn't this basically a kind of insider trading? They wouldn't be allowed to buy that stock, knowing that this deal is about to happen, but receiving it as part of the deal is okay? That doesn't feel right to me.
Nah, they are rich so it should be fine.
The rules about insider trading only exist to make poor people feel better.
Any deal involving whole percentages of stock will affect the stock price, it's insider trading when you get a call from someone at AMD before the deal is public, so you can profit. It's not insider trading for AMD executives to exercise their stock options (which they already had) to profit from the stock movement they just authorised
the SEC does not exist under republican administrations and it only exists to protect rich people under democrat ones, as it has been literally since it was created.
whole goddamn US economy is built around speculation and insider trading trying to get an edge on that speculation
Do you think rule of law exists in the US?
It's going to be a fucking bloodbath when it bursts.
It fucking should be. It's been nearly as much an annoyance in my feed as Sovcit Hussein. Death to AI and the bastards trying to shove it down our throats.
So basically they're paying in exposure.
There's a mildly amusing bit in there about disrespecting artists and not wanting to pay them money for their work that I'm not a good enough writer to execute (guess I should've asked chatgpt to do that for me and posted the result as my own original work do not steal instead of this nonsense ramble).
I see the vague shape of what you were going for, and had you executed it, I'm sure I would have snorted lightly in mirth.
The notion of having had the hypothetical potential to amuse even one person is payment enough for me.
AMD too?
So, assuming that Intel is also on the wrong side of history as usual (and that their cards are actually good for gaming, of which I'm not convinced) , you literally can't buy a decent gaming GPU without paying into the AI nonsense?
Nope sadly, AI needs GPUs and it makes up the bulk of sales of these chips now.
It would be suicide for any of the companies that could make these processors to not go after the biggest market. The result of a company not doing that would be watching all their competitors grow and advance their products whilst their company's value drops and products stagnate, possibly to a point that recovery to competitiveness would be hard if not impossible.
When AMD's biggest market was Litecoin (and derivatives like Dogecoin) mining and Nvidia's hardware was pants at mining, they initially couldn't increase production of the HD 7000 series quickly enough, so the initial glut of money went to scalpers. They responded by making huge volumes for the Rx 200 series, but shortly after it launched, Litecoin mining ASICs became available and GPU mining stopped being viable. That meant that:
This wasn't the only time ATi/AMD took a calculated risk and it backfired horribly, so with their history of bad luck, chasing the AI bubble in any way that involves risk instead of just selling things for money might be a bad idea.
That's how I got a R9 290 for "cheap," and continued to use it for something like 10 years (replaced it just a couple years ago).
The AI cards don't have video-out though :(
Look, the recent CPU lineup had AI in its name, has dedicated cores in it. Because Windows wants to do AI things or whatever.
its
they're all playing the same game
You’re paid in exposure.
NVIDIA's deal makes much more sense. Will use OpenAI revenue to buy shares in OpenAI and still profit if OpenAI goes bankrupt.
This is less a "vote of confidence" in AMD, because shit is free for OpenAI here. I too will buy all the AMD GPUs if you give me AMD stock of same or greater value. This deal structure actually makes AMD look terrible and unconfident in its product. But deal is not transparent enough.
Is this really what happen?
Pretty much. OpenAI will "give" AMD 78bln for 10% of the stock and the chips openAI actually wants. This whole ordeal has been publicly paraded like OpenAI and AMD partnering up, which has already pumped up AMD stock price by 45%. Thus openAI will eventually get their 78bln (which they actually never had in the first place) back in AMD stock.
So who actually pays the 78bln? The simple answer is AMD stock holders, currently the ones who have bought the stock after the announcement and later the ones who bought it before it crashed. The more complex answer is that the stock market at this point is just a speculative mess where numbers are made up because the price isn't dictated by what the company is currently capable of doing but rather what the company potentially could be doing in the future. Who knows who is actually paying for it because AMD stocks will get used elsewhere (for example as collateral in a loan) and the economic growth with absorb the costs. In short, we might as well imagine nobody paid for the chips.
In short, brace for another "once in a lifetime" economic crash.
The more complex answer is that the stock market at this point is just a speculative mess where numbers are made up because the price isn't dictated by what the company is currently capable of doing but rather what the company potentially could be doing in the future
The stock market has been a speculative mess where the numbers are made up during my entire lifetime.
This isn't the way economic bubbles are typically structured. At all.
Typical economic bubbles are built on speculative investment leveraging debt until the whole thing reaches a point where the debt can't realistically account for possible growth anymore. This would be OpenAI asking SoftBank for $78B to buy chips that have at most, a maximal 5 year life cycle, and then OpenAI not having cash on hand to pay down that $78B in 2 years.
Using this stock reacharound is actual money changing hands. Yes, stock dividends and sales are part of that, but it's not debt. It's certainly not sustainable, but it's not something that will lead to bankruptcy for OpenAI or NVIDIA or AMD if they fail to turn profits. But the money is real at the time it's moved around. Surprisingly, the LLM crowd has been fairly consistent in not running to highly leveraged debt for funding.
This is a pump and dump scheme if anything, and seems like a great way to find out later that people buying stock in AMD "invested" in shrinking their portfolio over the long term. IMO only a fool would buy stocks that funded this, but it's a slow-mo bubble for those people, not the economy in general.
Money did exchange hands but it had to come from somewhere, OpenAI doesn't have 78bln just lying around. Someone somewhere took debt so OpenAI could pay that price and OpenAI is planning on paying back that debt with AMD stock. That why I said the simple answer is that the people buying AMD stock are the ones paying for those chips. But these things don't happen in an instance, they take time which is why I said the complex answer is that nobody really knows who is going to pay it back. As a simplistic example, while the "dump" of AMD stocks hasn't happened someone can borrow money against the overpriced AMD stock. Now, if whoever gave the actual money to OpenAI comes asking for their 78bln back and OpenAI doesn't have it they will dump the AMD stocks to pay it back and then the person who used AMD stocks as collateral will be asked "Your collateral is now useless, give me more collateral or pay me back" and that money will be found elsewhere until someone goes broke and the debt gets defaulted. Of course that won't happen as long as nobody comes asking for the spent money.
In my eyes this deal is a speculative investment leveraging debt. OpenAI itself doesn't have the debt but it is somewhere because the actual liquidated money had to come from somewhere. And there is speculative investment with the hopes of AMD stocks going up enough to offset that debt. The 78bln might not end up as debt for OpenAI, but it might end up as a different debt for the loans that used propped up AMD stock as collateral. IMO it doesn't really matter where exactly the debt ends up because if the bubble pops AMD stocks are also going to take a hit and someone somewhere is going to end up paying for the debt that was caused by this 78bln deal.
The more complex answer is that the stock market at this point is just a speculative mess where numbers are made up because the price isn't dictated by what the company is currently capable of doing but rather what the company potentially could be doing in the future.
Drew Carey: Welcome to the stock market, where the points are made up and money loss really matters
I guess we'll find out when the Big Short 2 comes out.
The Bigger Shorter
2 Big, 2 Short
Also, make sure to keep secret the actual milestones and share allocations being gifted to OpenAI.
MI450s are expected to be $40k/kw. 6gw would be $240B in revenue. AMD can make MI450 an openAI only product and overcharge them for it. MI451 for everyone else. If price is fixed, MI450 is not finalized, afaik, and so much lower specs than promised/theorized could be delivered, with again MI451, the original hoped design.
The amount of fuckery is too damn high, but future fuckery too damn exponentially^damn^ high.
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