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framework doesn't rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/32868516

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The whole open source community loves Milkshake Laptops, a lovely laptop company that has ethical values! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the laptop company stans fascists

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[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 13 points 2 months ago

Which is why you should never think for profit companies are your friend, ethical, worth simping for or let them become part of your identity.

[-] undu@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

For fuck's sake, why can't we have nice things?

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nazis and capitalism, mostly.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

We can. It’s just going to cost you your freedom, and loads of money you probably don’t have.

[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sooo... I guess I was outta the loop pretty hard. I just spun up Omarchy on account of all the hype surrounding it, and had just enough time with it to fall in love with the workflow before stumbling on this post.

So does anyone have a recommendation for a good tiling window manager that isn't created by racists, transphobes, mysogonists, or any other kind of bigots? Or is this just a... time to run back to base Arch with KDE sorta day?

Edit: And if you are going to inform me that Arch or KDE is run by or support bigots... can you wait until the weekend? Please?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago

I like sway. It doesn't get in the way and I don't really need the eyecandy (and there's als sway-fx).

Then, you can create your own workflow with dmenu/rofi (or even use walker, like Omarchy).

Also: check out Bread on Linux's videos. She's so wholesome and chill while keeping the linux spirit real.

[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

Awesome! I'll check em out!

Both, I mean... Bread on Linux and Sway! Thanks for the recommendations!

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 4 points 2 months ago

Everyone I know in KDE-land (granted quite a few have moved onto other things now) was always welcoming and inclusive.

And despite Miguel de Icaza (Gnome) being an absolute douche, Ive never known him to be problematic in a right-wing way either.

But thats just what I know, and I don't know everything. But I think youre OK with KDE and Arch.

[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago
[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 months ago

I realize I didnt mention arch... But I'd note there that the sheer quantity of not cis het men running arch is a good indicator IMO.

[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Good point, and I'm going to hold on to that. I've been on Arch so long I've forgotten how to spell dnf...

[-] brisk@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

If you do end up back on KDE, Khronkite is a great kwin script for dynamic tiling windows. Not quite as good as Hyprland.

I've played briefly with river but it's a lot less dynamic (at least visually). I haven't found anything that feels as good as Hyprland.

[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

sway, niri are both good, different kind of WMs.

[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Been looking at Niri, seems really cool. And I greatly appreciate the level of comments in their config files. Can't be sure I'll like the "scrolling wm" style, but only one way to find out! Thanks for the rec!

[-] Poxlox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

This is the same Framework that makes the modular laptops?

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago

And the less-modular desktops, yes.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago
[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago

i’ve linked to more context in the original post

but the TL;DR is:

  • framework has started to financially support open-source project
  • among those projects are hyprland and omarchy, both having ties to the far-right (hyprland’s community is a toxic nazi bar and omarchy is maintained by a loud and proud racist)
  • people were understandably upset at framework for this
  • framework’s response was "nooo you guys, we are apolitical! we are trying to make a big tent! and that includes fascists too, stop being meanies!"
[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I read the links provided in the other thread. This seems to be a bit of an overreaction.

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Overreaction is the only tool that works to stop enshittification before it starts.

Lean on Framework. Insist they vet projects before giving them money. There's nothing here that can't be undone.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There's nothing here that can't be undone.

I firmly disagree. Anyone who doesn't actually know what framework is, will see them via a google search on the laptop in passing interest. Anyone who comes across a post like this when researching isn't going to continue further to see if they got better, just like people who make these posts aren't going to go back and change their comments saying otherwise.

Additionally, It's optimistic to say that they should vet projects before giving them money but, chances are this is going to just dissuade them from giving money to projects in the future.

But this is also assuming this actually takes off, Lemmy has been the only area I've even seen the complaints about framework

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Let me sum up the reasons.

DHH wrote a blog post on his experience with immigration in the UK. Some people think that makes him a Nazi. He also runs the omarchy distribution.

There was a transphobic post on hyprland‘s Discord, which was unmoderated at the time.

[-] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

It's not one comment from hyperland, it's an harasement campain that led them to be baned from freedesktop.org and rightfully so.

And the blog post you liked is a rant that there not enough white people in london while supporting the tommy robinson march ( a nazi event ).

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Funny how there's already people downplaying how bad it actually is.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

I did not like that blog post.

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 0 points 2 months ago

You sure seem to be defending it a lot though.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I linked it to give people the opportunity to read and form their own opinion. Posting a link is now defending?

DHH has been a controversial person for decades. I understand when people don’t want to be connected to him.

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago

You started off calling it all overblown, without even looking at all the other right wing blog posts he's made.

Thats putting a pretty hefty slant to start things off, yeah.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That blog post is quite racist, or at the very least, xenophobic.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Overreaction is the only tool that works to stop enshittification before it starts.

Overreacting can undermine your cause. I don't see how reacting accordingly cannot "stop enshittification before it starts".

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 2 months ago

Well, out of all projects they funded, they just so happen to mention the nazi one significantly more than the others on Twitter. They like mentioning it a lot.

And it's not an important package or some foundational project.

[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Why is it an overreaction? They mention these weird arch dotfiles so much, people just wanted an answer.

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