Main mod of r/piracy demoded by reddit and forcing the sub to open up again (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 year ago by zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml to c/freemediaheckyeah@lemmy.fmhy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35555.

A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn't even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It's late here so I'll see how we proceed tomorrow.

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[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Btw Piracy moved to:

@piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Run by the same mod. They have their megathread, faqs, and everything up already. Everything that they need for their community to start again in this new place.. I would imagine the users of a sub all about piracy are absolutely fine about leaving Reddit for something new.

ETA: Comment edited so you can see the whole magazine name.

[-] Kurumatron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Amazing news to have r/piracy here! Hopefully they have more liberty here and can talk openly

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Off subject, but I just discovered I can't comment on kbin. Just when I thought I had the fediverse figured out.

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I'm on kbin.social and I see your comment. What network/instance do you have your account on?

[-] whRQla8GEMdqXW2OVCbS@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

The link posted is only useful if your account is with kbin.social. Go to [URL your account is with]/[c if Lemmy, or m if kbin]/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

For you, that would be https://lemmy.world/c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Searching !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com in your Lemmy instances search (burger menu -> search) should also work, and links to /c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com should work on the Lemmy web client, and should work in the next release of Jerboa (0.0.35) judging by https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa/pulse

[-] fuckyou_m8@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Really hope someone fix this at some point, because it is a pain in the ass a so simple thing as just hypertexting another instance

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, I discovered later that when I submit my comment it shortens it. I'll try to edit my comment.

[-] honkhonk@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It's amazing that the threat to unmod people actually worked, and a lot of subreddits are reopening, saying that "they have no other option". It shows that mods care more about their place in their subreddit than the community they supposedly did their protest for.

[-] TheLastAnarchist@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly. They say the threat is that the sub will be reopened and then counter the threat by... reopening it?

The sub is getting opened either way. The choice they have to make has nothing to do with whether the sub opens or not, it's about the principle of the protest. They're showing quite clearly that they never cared for that aspect. They just want the "i'ma good mod you guys, honest" rep. Cowards.

[-] bamboo@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I think time will tell. Maybe opening it up and maintaining mod status will let them be able to burn it down from the inside. /r/pics has shifted the protest into only allowing pictures of John Oliver. Had all the mods been removed and replaced and the sub opened, then thats effectively the end of the protest.

[-] tehmics@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

/r/pics is one of the strongest protest subs on my feed right now, I think it's the right idea. /r/interestingasfuck is even better.

[-] cfx_4188@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

They are not cowards. They own and protect their property from destruction. Wouldn't you say you would?

[-] TheLastAnarchist@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Communities aren't property.

[-] Tempiz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Reddit mods crave the “power” they get from donating their time and labor to a mega corp.

[-] syllogi@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I came to the same conclusion in a post on a sub that was debating whether they should re-open permanently or not. I'll leave it to you to imagine how well it went over, but it should be added that this behavior doesn't only affect mods or power users; it's true of the userbase in general. People will latch onto anything they can in order to defend crossing their own picket line.

[-] SubArcticTundra@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Well, if your choice is failing+personal loss vs. just failing, then which one would you expect most people to go for!?

[-] kulta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Is it a personal loss though?

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I don't actually see loosing anything, except valuable time to mod a community.

[-] Cinner@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I foresee another great article..

Reddit CEO forces a number of subreddits to open, starting with 'copyright infringement' subreddit /r/Piracy and 'anti-capitalist' subreddit r/antiwork

Just keep digging spez. Maybe you'll make it to China and you can start WeQQit. Not to be confused with Wreqqit, which is what you're doing here.

[-] ParkingPsychology@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Almost like he's doing it on purpose...

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Why do they want a piracy community reopened?

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's kind of hilarious. For years the mods of /r/piracy have been walking on eggshells about what kinds of links and discussion are permitted there because they were afraid Reddit would shut them down at any moment. And now Reddit is tossing the mods that worked so hard to toe their line and forcing them open.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Because it’s all about numbers and they don’t care how they get them.

[-] Careve@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's quite confusing, you'd think they might not be exactly rushing to open one of the more legally complicated subs.

[-] Aurix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Likely they don't. It was probably sent to all indefinite blackout subs.

[-] Im28xwa@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Big bruh moment

[-] Khalic@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Someone should send this to relevant investors and DMCA authority, I’m sure they’ll love it

[-] l3mming@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"If you are not able or willing to reopen and maintain the community please let us know."

No, don't do that. Stall and don't answer for as long as possible. As soon as you tell them you are not willing, you will be replaced.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I got removed within an hour. I didn't even had time to read it :D

[-] coupland@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Wait this doesn't add up. The posted screen shot isn't coercive. It's asking if anyone on the mod team is willing to betray their fellow mods. If not, cool. Sounds like there were one or more mods on the /r/piracy team who chose the "betray" thing.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

I got demoded by reddit admins though

[-] coupland@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Understood, I'm not saying this wasn't sleazy. Just saying that they appear to have gotten permission from x% of mods on the sub.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

how do you gather that?

[-] coupland@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

From reading the screen shots you shared:

"We are reaching out to any moderators currently on the mod team who would be willing to take steps to reopen the community"

and

"If you have any question regarding your removal, you can contact the moderator team for /r/Piracy"

I mean, it's pretty obvious one or more mods rolled on you. I'm sorry I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, it's very shitty and Reddit sucks. We wouldn't be discussing this here if I was a friend of reddit.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

No really I'm telling you, I've seen the modlog, it was reddit admins. Other mods cannot remove me as I was the top mod.

[-] coupland@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

You're not following what I'm getting at. Reddit wants to have plausible deniability so they reach out to mod teams asking them to Judas on their fellow mods. We don't know how many agreed to turn on you -- maybe it was one, maybe it was 51%, maybe it was all of them.

The mods go to Reddit and say "yes we'll work with you to get the subreddit back up. But we don't have access to demod the head mod." Reddit says "say no more, I got u." They demod you, and say "If you have any questions go speak to your fellow mods. WE didn't make the decision, we were asked to demod you by your fellow mods."

Your fellow mods also have the extra perk that they can deny betraying you. "WE didn't demod you, Reddit did! SEE the mod logs!"

Plausible deniability all around.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I mean fair point, I do suspect one mod might jave scabbed but I guess we'll see. With pirates, there's some reputation on the line in our communities. If people see your name backstabbing your peers for corporate overlords, it's not a good look. I do know that the 3 mods I added recently are legit