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submitted 3 months ago by Yezzey@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

The original WWII Willys Jeep was as simple as it gets, no airbags, no seatbelts, no electronics just steel and guts.

It was a light and tough 4x4, easy to work on and you could fix almost anything with basic tools. You could tear the whole Jeep down in less than 5 minutes.

If someone tried to build one today, same size, same style, could it actually pass modern safety and emissions standards?

Or would the rules make a true “modern Willys” impossible?

Curious what engineers, mechanics, and everyone else thinks. It would save people so much money.

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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

You said no airbags and then asked if it could pass modern standards. No of course not if you crash at speed you are dead

[-] Yezzey@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ok so you add airbags, make it road worthy with today's standards and still make it be able to tear down in 5 minutes. You make it electric to compete with China's shitty electric vehicles. You make it cheap and easy to fix, no mechanics. Open source vehicle. Universal parts. Frame rusts out, order a new one and just replace it yourself in a day or two.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

Maybe. if you can get it under UTV\ATV rules. I'm not sure what those are but you get a loteof options. It wouldn't be street leagal, butiin some cases you can drive on a road between off road trails - check local laws. If you want to sell this have your lawyers look as theremay be other exceptions - could you call this a farm vehicle if you add some accessory?

[-] misterbngo@awful.systems 4 points 3 months ago

Mahindra started out by cloning the Willys and they sell something relatively modern in the states called the Roxor

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Straight from the original blueprints: heck no, consider the lack of seatbelts to say nothing of emissions.

With a bunch of engineering tweaks but staying close to original: maybe you could get it to be legal, but almost nobody would buy it. The gas mileage would be terrible. Maintenance would suck. Cars have EFI instead of carbeurators now for good reasons. And a car with no air conditioning would be miserable in lots of places.

Anyway if you wanted to do a project in that spirit today, I'd suggest making it all electric, but designed simple, like an e-bike on steroids instead of like a Tesla (which is more like a computer on wheels). Use LFP batteries instead of the higher energy but much more finicky and dangerous Tesla style packs, have some rooftop solar panels, maybe something like a street legal Kei minivan:

https://www.vantagevehicle.com/collections/electric/products/electric-passenger-window-van

You can buy those used in the US for around $5K but their top speed is 40mph, and they are only legal to drive on slower streets. I was a little bit tempted but decided I needed something that can drive on the freeway.

I want the SAS variant with the Vickers machine guns attached. I don't think I'm allowed one.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

They do. Mahindra roxor.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago
[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Pretty neat but $15k for a little tub (these things are the size of a modern UTV or Suzuki Samurai) and wheels seems pretty crazy. Not to mention what I imagine to be shipping costs in the range of thousands of dollars. You'll have to buy an engine, transmission, transfer case, axles, and fuel system which could easily run you another $15k, then assemble it all for another $15k if you're paying someone, and another $15k for paint and bodywork. Easily $60k for a 1940s era technology with 60HP and absolutely zero creature comforts.

Jerry and Jobe, formerly of Donut Media and currently of Big Time, bought one that was mildly restored from Meacum or Barrett Jackson auctions for something like $14k and they haven't even been able to sell it again for the same price after.

Then again as a car guy, I can understand the financial decision-making process when it comes to the hobby.

[-] DaGeek247@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago

Yes. Because it is. https://www.hotcars.com/this-country-is-still-producing-ww2-willys-jeep-parts/

Absolutely not in the states though. Whatever came after passing safety regulations wouldn't be a Willy's Jeep.

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The entire design would need to change to meet safety standards. I don’t know that the ease of assembly and cheap low cost would survive the safety requirements.

A lot of the complexity of modern vehicles encompassing not just drivetrain but also exterior design is to squeeze fuel economy from a stone. The shape of the Willy’s isn’t aerodynamic and that’s putting it mildly. Modern standards for body panel tolerances raise component costs. Full time 4x4 is awful on paved roads and terrible for fuel consumption, so we would now use a transfer case or a AWD system, which add cost and complexity. The simplicity of the suspension design made it a death trap at speed - good for off road, no good at 70mph.

My point is that as much as I want a repairable, simple thing (car, computer, etc.) we’ve developed so much technology that even when a thing is designed for repairability, it’s going to need specialized skills to some extent - can’t fix everything with a hammer anymore. Might need a torque wrench.

The current wrangler is an idea of what a modern Willy’s would be like. It’s going to be a $40k vehicle.

ETA - Ineos Grenadier is a modern take on the classic Land Rover. Similar concept, similar departure from simple an cheap.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The current wrangler is an idea of what a modern Willy’s would be like. It’s going to be a $40k vehicle.

It looks like, adjusted for inflation, the original Willy's MB contract was for about $16k per unit in 1941.

This says that a 2025 Jeep Wrangler starts at $32k, so it's about twice the price.

https://www.jeep.com/model-compare.wrangler.2025.html

There's also apparently a "willys" model available that costs $8k more, amusingly, making it less-minimalist and putting it at your $40k.

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