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[-] 87Six@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Since I dont see it mentioned, the company is

iLife

iLife makes vacuums that map your house and can be remote controlled

Just so we are clear. You should all up your name and shame game.

[-] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

For real. It's wild how often people don't just straight up call out bad corps.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone -1 points 2 months ago

Could ya be sued, perhaps?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[-] Someone8765210932@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Just because it wouldn't stick, doesn't mean they can't sue you and make your life more difficult. (Not saying you shouldn't call out bad actors like that)

[-] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 2 months ago

Implying the vast majority of roombas aren't doing this

There's no safe "opt-out" for people who cannae be arsed to vacuum lol

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

o7 thank you for your service

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

All modern robot vacuums do this. Amazon and Zillow actually buy that data too.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I used to be on a mailing list where American companies offered money to people in the third world for menial manual tasks. Like sending pictures of random crap from different angles and such. One time I got an email offering 4 of these things and $100 and all I had to do was put one of them in my home and use it for a week and give the other 3 away. Goes without saying they're clearly a privacy nightmare.

[-] Regna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At first I thought ”Well, duh!”, but the manufacturer having a remote kill switch when he network blocked his vacuum from sharing his home map data with them, as well as unprotected root access when connecting to the vacuum… urgh.

The engineer says he stopped the device from broadcasting data, though kept the other network traffic — like firmware updates — running like usual. The vacuum kept cleaning for a few days after, until early one morning when it refused to boot up.

After reverse engineering the vacuum, a painstaking process which included reprinting the devices’ circuit boards and testing its sensors, he found something horrifying: Android Debug Bridge, a program for installing and debugging apps on devices, was “wide open” to the world. “In seconds, I had full root access. No hacks, no exploits. Just plug and play,” Narayanan said.

[-] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

All crappy IoT devices ever made. They aren't used in bot nets all the time because hackers like the challenge of hacking them so much. Security simply isn't a priority.

[-] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

The 'S' on IoT stands for security!

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 0 points 2 months ago

There isn’t an s in IoT silly.

[-] Alfaspyke@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Woosh? Either Yours or mine :)

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

He’s going to have a heart attack to find out that the floor plan to most houses are available online and have been for a long time.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

In case anyone's interested, there's actually open-source self-hosted robot vacuum firmware for select models

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

At this point, if you buy a smart thing you have to know it's spyware.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My home assistant isn't spying on me. My Zwave devices are not spying.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago
[-] ijustliketrains@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Home Assistant is open source and self-hosted and doesn’t require internet to operate. The z-wave devices connect directly to the device running Home Assistant. If you want Home Assistant to be private it absolutely can be.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Sheeesh, his fucking mobile phone mapped and photographed his house long ago.

[-] DNS@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

These arricles are meant to be rage bait for the techno-illiterate. As you said, cell phones mapped your house long ago as well as your smart TV, or any appliance that requires an internet connection.

People traded in their privacy for convenience.

[-] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, this has been known about for pretty much all smart vacuums.

But who the fuck is going to use the layout of your house for anything?

[-] n0respect@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The secret police

[-] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This article just screams rage-bait. Not that I am against making people aware of this kind of privacy invasion, but the authors did not bother to do any fact checking.

Firstly, they mention that the vacuum was "transmitting logs and telemetry that [the guy] had never consented to share". If you set up an app with the robot vacuum company, I'm pretty sure you'll get a rather long terms and services document that you just skip past, because who bothers reading that?

Secondly, the ADB part is rather weird. The person probably tried to install Valetudo on it? Otherwise, I have no clue what they tried to say with "reprinting the devices’ circuit boards". I doubt that this guy was able to reverse engineer an entire circuit board, but was surprised when seeing that ADB is enabled? This is what makes some devices rather straight forward to install custom firmware that block all the cloud shenanigans, so I'm not sure why they're painting this as a horrifying thing. Of course, you're broadcasting your map data to the manufacturer so that you can use their shitty app.

The part saying that it had full root access and a kill-switch is a bit worse, but still... It doesn't have to be like this. Shout-out to the people working on the Valetudo project. If you're interested in getting a privacy-friendly robot vacuum, have a look at their website. It requires some know-how, but once it's done, you know for sure you don't need to worry about a 3rd party spying on you.

this post was submitted on 27 Oct 2025
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