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Stop using Brave Browser (www.spacebar.news)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Champoloo@hexbear.net to c/technology@hexbear.net

Brave Software, the company behind the browser of the same name, was founded by Brendan Eich. He's best known as the creator of JavaScript from his days at Netscape Communications, and he was later the co-founder of Mozilla. He remained at Mozilla Foundation and its for-profit segment, Mozilla Corporation, well into the 2000s. In 2014, he was appointed as CEO of Mozilla Corporation, which immediately caused backlash from at least a few people inside Mozilla and many people outside the organization.

Why was appointing Eich as CEO so controversial? It's because he donated $1,000 in support of California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which was a proposed amendment to California's state constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Eich wrote a blog post defending himself in 2012, when the donation was initially discovered, where did not apologize and denied the donation made him a bigot:


Here's a bonus fun fact: one of those early investors was Founders Fund, which is operated by billionaire Peter Thiel. He's a regular campaign donor to far-right political candidates, and said in an essay that "I no longer think that freedom and democracy are compatible." He also keeps funding libertarian “seasteading” ships designed to function as independent cities in international waters (think BioShock), all of which have failed miserably.


Brave was also caught up in a privacy scandal in 2020, when it was revealed that the browser was adding affiliate codes to some URLs typed into the address bar. For example, typing in “binance.us” would add Brave’s affiliate link to the end, allowing Brave Software to collect revenue from signups or purchases. An official blog post called that “a mistake,” and the functionality was later turned off. That should have been enough to swear off Brave as a privacy-centric browser forever, considering the entire point of affiliate links is to collect data about the user and traffic source. For example, when you click an Amazon affiliate link in a web article, the publisher can see the exact products you purchase in the timeframe the tracking cookie remains active (which is currently 24 hours).

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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

LibreWolf stays winning, Brave is just a chud-skinned Chrome anyway.

[-] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He also keeps funding libertarian “seasteading” ships designed to function as independent cities in international waters (think BioShock), all of which have failed miserably.

that's funny shit. ive been using Brave because Firefox been weird on some sites for me lately.

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

ungoogled chromium might honestly be a better choice if you need a chromium browser

[-] Ekranoplane@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

How are y'all using browsers that don't support in window tree style tabs? Literally only Firefox meets my basic UI requirements.

[-] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Just use Ungoogled Chromium or Vivaldi if you really can't live without Chromium. Otherwise stick with Firefox based browsers.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep. Vivaldi is my "shit this thing isn't working on Firefox" backup browser. It's pretty rare I need it but once on a while I do.

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

All true. The only reason to use brave is that it is a functional phone browser with ad blocking. And that's a pretty tenuous claim to purpose.

[-] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

it has been nice to look at youtube videos in Brave for Android and theres no ads.

[-] Champoloo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

You can do the same thing with firefox and ublock origin, firefox supports extensions on android.

[-] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

is there another browser with ad block that i can use on android?

[-] Champoloo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

Firefox with ublock origin, firefox supports extensions on android. You can even watch youtube with sponsorblock.

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

GrapheneOS devs recommend against Firefox Android on security grounds. They of course have their own modified Chrome. Do you know of any decent chromium based options for privacy? All the projects I used to use died.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Vanadium with DNS level blockers (DNS over HTTPS) if you're on graphene os.

[-] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I use Fennec, a fork of Firefox for Android inspired by Librewolf on desktop. Iceraven is a similar thing. The differences seem very minor to me. Fennec is on F-Droid, Iceraven you need to use Obtainium to download. Both of them support uBlock Origin.

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fennec is not a fork. It is just Mozilla Firefox built with the branding disabled (and potentially some other build-system flags depending on the distributor) so it can be distributed in places like F-Droid without trademark restrictions.

[-] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is it not? I thought there were other proprietary bits & telemetry removed, like what LibreWolf does. Maybe I'm lost in the semantics of "fork" and "custom version"...

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 2 months ago

Has anyone used Zen browser? It's a fork of Firefox but I haven't checked it out yet.

[-] krysel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I use it as my daily driver on macOS and windows. It works great for me.

[-] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago
[-] fox@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago

It's slow and certainly compromised by the feds but it's also better than the open web, which feds have also compromised

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago

do you know like literally anything about tor

[-] fox@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah, and I know that feds have honeypotted half the tor sites out there and control or have visibility on a shitload of the exit nodes

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

even if they have a bunch of exit nodes, the network itself is secure and is designed to protect against that

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago
[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago
[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Once upon a time some 20ish years ago I was fucking around with the family computer setting up some Linux OS to dual boot. I did not have X server set up, but I was pretty proud of myself for figuring out how to connect to DSL using PPPoE and well on my way. My dad asked me if he could check something on the internet for a minute, and I hooked him up with Links pointed at the Google homepage. He was like "what the fuck is this?" and walked away.

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