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authoritarians of any side deprecate liberal values (ie, individual liberty) & treat the individual as an expendable means to (rather than the nonexpendable ends of) their illiberal agenda

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I don't understand why freely speaking my mind is necessarily a "democratic right", but I certainly support it. Couldn't an authoritarian leader simply not care and move ahead with his plans if he has enough support?

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 months ago

Meant a right critical for democracy: public oratory & debate of policy to argue policy, change minds, & gather support. Important since the ancient Greeks.

Authoritarians don't need popular support once in power. They usually meet criticism with force.

First of all: thanks for the comprehensive reply. 👌

What if the autocrat wants advice on how to lead the country? I'm sure every wise king in the past looked for some sort of counsel, right? And they need some form of support, or at least the approval by big chunks of the population, else who's putting his ideas into action and who's tacitly accepting of it?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

It is my strong heartfelt opinion that all tankies and authoritarians are right wing. I do not see any authoritarian future as progress.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

At this point, it might actually take that "one great man" to be the voice of reason in the West, a spark that lights everyone's lightbulb but with enough authority everyone just feels compelled to follow them (?). Cause if you leave it to the propagandized and honestly baseline cruel and selfish folks of today, they'll just elect monster after monster. Sure, some might be brown, some might be women, some might even be brown women, but that doesn't make them any better. 🤷

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Anybody antidemocracy is immediately written off as mentally challenged in my book.

Thankfully, I'm selectively illiterate!

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago

I've always thought of it as more an up and down split between authoritarianism and libertarianism. Authoritarians on both sides seek to limit rights and freedoms and any kind of dissent, the difference is who and what they generally target. All of it just corrodes into a control system for the sake of control.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You think of authoritarianism as being halfway to authoritarianism?

[-] pilferjinx@piefed.social 1 points 5 months ago

No, just the original direction of the spring changes.

[-] orioler25@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Right, can you tell us where and how you learned about what these political philosophies are and how they have developed historically?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

If you are gonna play at being a sea lion at least be good at it.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Come right out and say what you disagreed with.

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