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moving from nextcloud to opencloud (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 months ago by amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Hello all,

For a few days now I have been reading about the shiny new opencloud alternative to nextcloud. Has anyone tried to migrate from nextcloud to opencloud?

I have not found a guide about how to move the files from one to the other. I want to try it out and if I like it enough, move. But how does one do that?

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[-] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 4 points 3 months ago

For people wondering about the source of the project:

  • at first there was Ownlcoud
  • when the business model proved conflictuous with community management, Nextcloud was born
  • when PHP proved not good enough, Owncloud Infinite Scale was born
  • when some dev were not happy with kiteworks, current owner of the dev company, the left to create Opencloud based on Owncloud Infinite Scale

Kiteworks threatened them about illegal worker theft, they were not happy a lot of dev left for the fork, and as an american company, they don't know worker right.

[-] paper_moon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

sigh the naming of these projects... I know if you've been paying attention to development projects then the similarities in naming helps you, you can assume 1 project was forked from another and vaguely already know what the project does, is used for, etc. But for nontechnical newbies I'm sure its confusing as hell having like 4 products all named similarly and you have no idea why or what the difference is and which one to choose.

Anyway, thanks for spelling it out, for anyone confused.

[-] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 points 3 months ago

At least they are searchable. We use outline at work and try to find some stuf on search engines for it XD

Imagine adding OpenDesk to the mix

[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

OpenCloud has made a conscious decision not to use relational databases and instead uses files to store metadata. This decision simplifies the system considerably and at the same time helps to improve scalability and system stability.

Well color me convinced. The most frustrating part about updating Nextcloud is fixing the database schema.

I don't even want a database I just want a lightweight webui for manage my files from a browser.

OpenCloud fits the bill much better.

[-] stalker@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

not sure why you think this? You still have to have some state (you cannot just rehydrate state of file system upon restart and keep everything in mem). To rephrase, those who don't understand databases are bound to reimplement them...poorly. Why you think upgrade of metadata schema in those files will be less of an issue on upgrades (surely this will happen, file format will change, just now without constraints, foreign keys, checks and with manual reindexing and manual query optimizations)?

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Not OP, but having files and folder structures accessible in the OS helps with a lot of tasks and interoperability.

If I want to add media files to Jellyfin, etc, I can't just drop them into the video folder remotely because I have it mapped to a particular folder on the drive. If I want to make a copy of a large folder, I first have to mount the cloud as a "remote" drive, then do the operation from there.

It's much easier to access files and folders outside of a database if they are needed for anything outside of the cloud service. I know that there may also be some security and efficiency factors that make a database favorable, but in terms of ease of use, it is just more effort to use a fileserver that operates through a database.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The files and folders of NC are outside of the database. They are fully browseable in the filesystem. The database is just there for the metadata.

[-] gergolippai@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Reading through the comments, thisnwill get very confusing with the naming...

[-] Auli@twit.social 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

@amateurcrastinator so funny. Wasn't nextxloud starters because decisions Opencloud made?

Ah my mistake it was Owncloud.

[-] traceur201@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

What are the benefits? They'd have to be pretty big to make it worth switching away from nextcloud's copyleft license imo

[-] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I have no clue about the licensing, it appears to be a European project so I figured I could try it for a bit. But I realize a better approach would be to just test it out with a few unimportant files before I commit to it.

I have been using nextcloud for about 5 year now. So I have quite a few file and about 5 users on my instance

[-] ChaosInstructor@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Nextcloud is an European project too.

[-] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I only heard about open loud when the European criminal court made a. Announcement that they will drop Ms office 365 for this opencloud and I got excited. Makes me wonder why they didn't go for next loud if it is European too?

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

They went with OpenDesk, which uses Nextcloud as Cloud System.

Where have you read that they are going to switch to OpenCloud?

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