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[-] helix@feddit.org 81 points 1 month ago

And this, people, is why we should extensively teach fascist and colonialist history. Bet >90% of Americans don't know this. Many don't seem to have an issue with Stephen Miller's Nazi rhetoric, or Trump speeches often suspiciously sounding like the ones from a certain Austrian painter. They simply don't recognise simple patterns like this.

I don't think the author is at fault at all. I would rather ask their educators about what the fuck they were doing that this person doesn't know these words.

[-] Oinks@lemmy.blahaj.zone 93 points 1 month ago

In defense of the author and their education... They're Brazilian so English probably isn't their native language, and their history education was almost certainly in Portuguese. I don't think it's necessarily an indictment of their education that they weren't taught about the English translation of a German phrase, and I don't think it's reasonable to apply the same standards of subtext awareness to native and non-native speakers either.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I also don't think it makes sense that people who haven't even taken history as a major, need to be taught each and every phrase that was used by a fanatic group.

A lot of these words, phrases and symbols tend to be taken from stuff that meant well in the past or even now. See swastika, svaha^[which I am not sure of the Nazi reference, but it was being chanted by people being portrayed as Nazis in a game].

Just knowing those terms, while might help prevent them from being used in accidental cases, is not as important as being able to recognise the pattern of peoples' actual actions.
Because a group that has copied stuff from other traditions, can always do that again with other sources, to replace that stuff.

It's important that out of history, we make sure to identify the part that we actually need to be against, which is the specific actions that cause grief back then, instead of just picking each and every unrelated thing, which any new group can simply replace, while also getting to keep the original grievous actions.
This is also to prevent us from getting our willpower drained from always getting outraged by multiple instances of minor similarities that are much more probable to be a false +ive, to have the power to push back when we find the actual problem creators.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Which game may I ask? Was it in an occult setting? If yes then it was likely just a generic chant and has no fascist connotations beyond it. If not then I will have to see the scene in the game to dive deeper.

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[-] helix@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

What's the word for Endlösung in portuguese and how does it translate into English?

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[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 month ago

To take this a step further, wolf-whistles (neo-Nazi dog-whistles) are often intentionally vague, and spotting them is important in recognizing cryptofascists because they will try and claim plausible deniability, "oh leftists call everyone a nazi" is something open nazis say to downplay themselves to other reactionaries. They know that their beliefs are still unspeakably disgusting to most societies, they tend to disguise it, downplay it and rationalize it.

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Sometimes it's language and phrases itself, you can often see cryptofascists use the same phrases, euphemisms or odd terms as famous fascist speeches or texts, whether as an intentional subtle allusion or just unwittingly echoing what they've read. And that's where they'll chuck in terms like "Final solution" in memes.

Other times, it's more direct coded language and symbols. It's probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad 'Black Sun' symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 16 points 1 month ago

Other times, it’s more direct coded language and symbols. It’s probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad ‘Black Sun’ symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.

I know someone who used 88 in a username on accident, not knowing how cryptonazis use it. He found out because he got called out for it and asked to explain. After finding out what 88 can mean, he changed his username because he didn't want to be mistaken as a nazi. TBF, his initial reaction was "wtf, why would someone suggest I'm a nazi and want to ban me because I have some numbers at the end of my name?" I think some people take it for granted that others are aware of these things.

[-] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Also, 1988 was a year that existed.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

It sucks that they take otherwise normal things and ruin them.
Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep. Although...

Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?

Words and symbols cannot be divorced from context. Like @SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de hinted at, putting a date of birth in a username is common and there are so many other meanings for these numbers so it would be ridiculous to jump down someone's throat for simply using them, or using common gestures. Unless that friend in the story was also saying some reactionary things in their comments, I think it's silly and careless that someone challenged them on their name.

I been told by some international friends that one of the political flags over in Australia, the Eureka flag, has a similar situation where both trade unions and white nationalists try to claim its legacy, so it's common to see in both the pro and anti immigration rallies. Context is what makes it either a potential nationalist/racist dogwhistle or a symbol of workers' rights.

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[-] non_burglar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Bet >90% of Americans don't know this.

Considering that pcmr (PC Master Race) is now an acceptable term on reddit and now elsewhere, I'd say you were right.

[-] False@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When that whole thing started up Nazis seemed a lot less "real" imo. I liked it better when they occupied a similar space as pirates and ninjas...

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 10 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Luckily, back in high school, my IB History class spent a good couple months just learning about authoritarian rulers and their tactics.

I especially like pulling out Pinochet because he’s a clear and relatively recent example of right wing authoritarianism, manipulation of existing religious structures, and US government support of authoritarian regimes that help contextualize its trend towards authoritarianism.

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[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago

So how long until Lunduke does a video about how this software has GoNe WoKe?

[-] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago

About 3.5 minutes probably.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Lunduke really went fucking crazy. It's wild watching his feed and remembering he's the same guy from Linux sucks.

[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

Also moved to codeberg in the process. Bonus

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

I don't think you should let Nazi's win the war of language.

[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agreed, I think the author's feeling towards this is commendable in spirit, but to let a generic phrase be forever attached to a political movement in any setting is a bit much, even if it's infamously memorable, it doesn't belong to Nazis.
Still, it's just a name change, so, aside from a few lines of code to change, it doesn't badly affect anyone. All power to the author

[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

It's not a big deal to change the name, and it masks actual Nazi use of the language.

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

How wholesome! I also appreciate the move to Codeberg. Don’t forget that Codeberg runs on donations. Please help if you can.

https://donate.codeberg.org/

[-] Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Btw, as a cool gui for setting your wallpaper there's waypaper

[-] Cricket@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now if only the GIMP maintainers would come to their senses.

Edit: corrected "it" to "if".

[-] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

No thats what the mask is for.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

A happy ending!

[-] marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Good, but the way the developer spells "nazy" makes me to follow the quoted advice on my own brain process:

if you want to change the wallpaper during runtime, you must pkill the daemon, and then start it again

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[-] marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

The first name of the project was "The Final Solution to your Wayland Wallpaper Worries". The developer reports he was unaware of the connotation until the Ukraine war happened.

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