Genuine question but how are any of the workers supposed to cart around a ton and a half worth of tools and equipment up and down the country to keep infrastructure actively providing the residents with power, water and prevent sewage flowing through their streets, if not for a car?

I know that cars are horrendous things in both sociological and environmental impacts, but if you don't give a useful alternative, then what are you arguing?

(I know electric vans exist, but if you've ever used one professionally then you know just how bad they are for anything that isn't inner city short hop driving. Without even mentioning the impact of producing an electric vehicle in terms of mining the rare earth materials for the batteries and electricity, or the added mechanical strain due to increased vehicle weight)

without access to solar panels or a good angle for a lot of sunlight, diesel generators are a good idea for backup power.

If we continue to call people names after very poor communication causes some backlash, we might as well give up on the whole community.

Like come on, the OP's PS in this comment for example is a bit late. The comment reads as "I wouldn't use it if I didn't have to, same as generators" and OP reply still couldn't write anything reassuring and instead they wrote so bad it implies he should just move. These people are not "car oilcels" just because they didn't study Urban planning and/or know what you meant to say but didn't!

I don't know about where you live, but the average driver here just needs to know 3 things to be fuckcars supporter:

• If you can easily use another form of transport, you should use it so the road is clear for people who must drive (bc driving sucks if roads are full, but every driver knows this already)
• The government is doing too little to get people to use public transport and E-bikes
• The government is subsidising car use way too much (it can still expensive). People should hesitate, like they sometimes do at big events ("Wait, where will I park?", "Isn't the tram quicker?") at every use, so they really think about what other options other than driving they have, instead of habitually driving everywhere.

I mean, it is? Like every transportation, it is good, but depend on situation and need, the issue is people who think car is the only solution. Actual urbanist do agree on that, and people who actually do ground work know there is a fine balance you need to have in order to move the direction toward better city, simply hating on car will get you nowhere, or worst, get bigger pushback from carbrain.

There's this huge issue about c/fuckcars, people tend to treat the name literally. Like, look at the side bar, the description even say what this community is about.