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Great guy but 50.4% in a blue stronghold... (media.piefed.ca)
submitted 4 months ago by MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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Despite what Sinatra would have us believe, if you can make it in New York it doesn't mean you'll make it in the mid west or any of the purple states. (Democrats haven't had a vote share lower than 65% since the 00s I think)

Yes, a record number came out to support him but almost as many came out to support anyone but him :(

My hope is that for all the naysaying, Mamdani turns out to be a technocrat in the Sewer Socialist model and shows the country socialism ain't so scary. The whole "laboratories of democracy" in action.

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[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago

Getting a majority in a three way race is nothing to scoff at.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I mean, the Blue vote was split.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago

Exactly, 8% of the vote total did NOT go to either the Democratic nominee for mayor (50.4%) or the former Democratic governor (41.6%). By this logic, democrats are UP 27 points to 92% in NYC.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

OTOH that's mostly a paper democrat

But I'll take the win

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

I mean isn't that still kind of it though, I'm trying to figure out how new york city is being called a "democratic stronghold". as if it's been solid blue for the last 50 years or something... the place that made Rudy Giuliani, followed it up with bloomberg. Then followed up with 2 corrupt centrist democrats.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 months ago

how new york city is being called a “democratic stronghold”

New York City tends to poll more Democrat/Left than the state as a whole. The last time NY State elected a republican Presidential candidate was Reagan.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

Point still holds... the last time a republican New York MAYOR was elected, was only 4 elections ago... prior to Mandami's win the 10 elections prior to it for mayor went 5 for republican, 5 democrat. Doesn't really make sense to compare a mayoral candidate to a presidential result, in a city that apparently has a strong track record of supporting republican mayors even when they went all in on the democratic president.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe progressive stronghold would've been less controversial.

But the basic concept, even in a very progressive place, the clear, almost dream progressive candidate barely cracked 50% and a record number came out to oppose him.

I cannot fathom how this looks like a winning recipe for the Democrats in say, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin etc.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 months ago

The progressive candidate that we've been craving barely cracked 50% in one of the more progressive places in the country.

This doesn't bode well for say, a very progressive Presidential candidate.

Lumping in former democrats as current ones seems more than a little silly.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago

The argument has historically been that the Democrats don't nominate progressive candidates and if they did, progressives would come out and vote for them overwhelmingly (despite not doing so in the primaries.)

In one of the most progressive cities, we had one of the most progressive candidates ever and barely cracked 50%.

So, it doesn't bode well for the Dems chances if they nominate a very progressive Presidential candidate. (You would probably have the Blue vote similarly, wherein sure, some progressive would win the Democrat label, and some independent would run to the centre and split the Dem vote.

[-] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

Dumb take

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 4 months ago

50.4% against a candidate supported by the Republicans, most of the Democrat establishment and deep-pocketed billionaires, and backed by social-media algorithms.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 4 months ago

And what in that equation would change were we to try a similarly progressive candidate nationally? Except for the fact that most of the country is less progressive than New York...

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 4 months ago

Considering it was a three-way race, I feel like this is a bit of a doomer take.

I agree that a Mamdani victory in New York City does not translate to socialist enthusiasm everywhere else in the country. But I do think it accurately shows two things:

  1. Moving the Dem party is possible through the democratic process, if you actually fucking show up and vote in primaries.

  2. Democratic socialism, as a term, is no longer the poison pill it once was in general elections. (Thank you Bernie, for walking for forty long years so my generation can hopefully run 🙏😭)

In addition, I suspect that Mamdani's victory can be replicated in many cities.

There's not going to be a demsoc victory in fucking rural West Virginia anytime soon, no matter how loudly some Very Serious Commenters talk about how the only thing needed to appeal to the proletariat is going further left. Nor is it likely that purple states will be voting in demsoc candidates anytime soon - though, if a demsoc runs in the primary, one should vote for them, and if they manage to actually win the primary, that is a very, exceptionally hopeful sign for an appetite of the state's electorate for a demsoc victory in the general.

But Mamdani's victory also genuinely shows that the only reason that neoliberals and moderates have such a stranglehold on the party is because we let them. If we stop simply letting them, as we have in NYC, we can make a broader left-coalition Dem Party, wrested from their ghoulish gerontocratic hands.

We can't make the Dems demsoc overnight. But we can demand a much larger voice at the table.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Considering he was polling in the 30s and 40s before the election, breaking 50% is a miracle, especially with 3 candidates.

[-] rayyy@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago

Wait until they see his results, if the right doesn't interfere. When FDR got in they couldn't get him out because he was so wildly popular. Also, Bernie Sanders was wildly popular with the people, but no so much with corporate Dems.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

He got more than 50% of New Yorkers to agree on one of three options, in the face of an opposition supported by essentially all of the millionaires and billionaires in the city. If apple pie and pumpkin pie got together and formed a super-ticket, they'd still only get 47% of the vote—and that's without taking any soft money from Big Rhubarb into account.

I'm not making that stat up, by the way. Apple pie has a 23% vote. Pumpkin has 24%. And he did it in less than a year, on small dollar donations.

It may not have been a perfect campaign, but if it wasn't, a perfect campaign isn't possible.

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