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[-] Integrate777@discuss.online 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's fucking weird people have such strong opinions about issues like X11 and systemd. They're meant to be working in the background away from the user, and that's exactly how I treat them. Actually systemd still provides some functions a user might have to interact with manually, for X11 I'm just baffled.

When I take an uber, I don't care whether the car has an automatic or manual transmission.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think the average user wouldn't care, Linux just attracts nerds. And I think it's totally fine and even good that people care how their computer works—it shows that users care about their software working for them, rather than just wanting to go along with whatever is given to them. I think a lot of the positions people take about these things are very silly, but I'd still prefer someone to have a silly opinion about X11/Wayland or pid 1 than to not have an opinion at all. It's nice that users are being actively involved in deciding what they want their system to be; it's a nice change from the average user who's like "well microsoft is screenshotting my screen every 5 seconds and feeding it into copilot now, guess I'm going along with that".

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[-] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I will happily switch over once libinput isn't absolute ass with my touchpad! Or if I could adjust its settings in any meaningful way!! Or if you could let me use my old touchpad driver!!!

Until then you can attempt to pry x11 from my cold undead still-animated hands

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[-] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 weeks ago

Zoom still doesn't work right on Wayland.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

no screen sharing software works on it.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

I’ve gotta be honest, the desktop environment situation on Linux does not impress me.

I’m on Cosmic which is decent, but there are all sorts of silly oversights in KDE and gnome, and windows have weird mixes of styles and toolbar display modes.

Is great that Linux is modular, but seriously gtk vs QT vs whatever else needs a heavy duty cleanup.

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

when endeavour switched over to wayland my session just completely stopped working. couldn't get past the login screen. had to reinstall xorg from tty. not touching that again until i get new hardware.

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[-] furycd001@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

I still use X11 & will continue to do so for as long as possible. Wayland's not bad, X11 just seems to works better....

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[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Im on boring mint, and Wayland sucks on it. Literally disables my ctrl and shift keys, and volume keys, and backgrounds are only black. Unusable. And I have all amd, 13 year old cpu. Oh and it screws up video playback

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Mint is pretty late to the Wayland party with Cinnamon. It's probably one of the worst distros to try to use Wayland on.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've tried a few distros recently (Bazzite, Nobara, Debian...), all with Plasma+Wayland, and none of them work with my Wacom Intuos. Nobara with Gnome works fine (that's what I'm using in the meantime), albeit with a limited feature set: can't remap tablet area, can't use or remap the tablet buttons.
So, I've narrowed it down to something inbetween Plasma and Wayland. That's all I know for now

I use the tablet as a pointing device -using a mouse hurts my wrist after roughly 20mn (old injury). So it really is an accessibility issue...

I have said this a few times before, apologies, but I'm hammering it because it's not notorious enough.

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[-] Acidbath@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

rstudio and octave is holding me back T_T

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

they should just work under wayland without supporting it. what's the problem with them?

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[-] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

I miss screensavers :(

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[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Look, I primarily use e-waste for my computing. I'll use whatever display server I want. You'll pull X11 out of my cold, dead hands.

[-] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Same!

I have an ancient laptop from 2013, it needs ancient nvidia 600 series driver version 470 someshit. Wayland doesn't support old stuff, and nuaveu drivers can't compete, creating random distorted image on fullscreen or crashing non stop.

And on my PC I have to use VMware for work, Wayland doesn't work well with fullscreen VMs, the keystroke capture thingamajig fucks shit off bad.

X11 works just fine in both my use cases.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 3 weeks ago

Are the Wayland devs going to rewrite my Awesome WM config and widgets to some equivalent window manager while preserving all the features I've implemented? If not why the fuck would I waste weeks of my time switching to a tool that does the exact same thing?

[-] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Funny, this is basically the exact thing I said about switching from Windows to Linux at one point. Of course not about Wayland and window managers, but about the customization I did and the need to port it over.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those things couldn't be more different. Or did you spend lots of time to make your Linux environment work exactly like your Windows did?

I have my environment set up exactly the way I want. Moving to Wayland you mean replicating all the keyboard shortcuts, all the scripting and automated actions and re-implementing all the custom widgets. Because they work the way I want them to work. From what I've checked Wayland doesn't even have tools that can be extended as easily as my WM. I would have to use some less popular tools with little documentation or struggle writing things in C++. And if I did all this I would have a setup that works the exact same way but is on Wayland. What would I gain besides bragging rights?

[-] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Well that's what I'm saying. I had Windows set up exactly like I like it. I disabled all telemetry, had custom hotkeys for everything, etc etc etc, everything worked exactly like I wanted.

There was just a little thing in the background that made it make sense to switch to Linux, Windows getting shittier, MS dropping support etc etc

In the end, of course it's not exactly the same thing, but that's what's happening to x11 as well, it does get "shittier" (comparatively) as less development time is spent on it, it doesn't get improved as much as Wayland, gets less support etc. So if you just use a scale of "good <> bad", over time, x11 goes more towards bad and Wayland more towards good, same as Windows vs Linux.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 3 weeks ago

And once there will be some things I want to do, that can't be done on X11 but can be done on Wayland I will switch. For now there are no such things so switching is just a waste of time. It crazy how many people think everyone should be on Wayland only because it's new. It's the Labubu of software, really.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No, people have different needs. By all means, stay on x11. Just don't pretend Wayland is a fad that's going away in a couple years or that a re-architectured window manager for the 21st century has no value.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

Well you are the maintainer of your WM config so it's on you not the Devs of Wayland to migrate you.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 3 weeks ago

And why would I do that? What am I going to gain exactly?

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