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Linus vs Linus (lemmy.ml)
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[-] Hupf@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago
[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

My money is on Linus

[-] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Well we have a guy who created the Linux kernel... and a shitty youtuber.

Has this video been published yet?

[-] GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Video was shot and is being edited, recently teased on Wan Show

[-] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago

I hear Linus sleeps with nunchucks

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I really wonder why Linus Torvalds is giving that clown the time of day.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
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Linus is taking his rants more seriously these days I see 😆

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[-] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

"May the sudo be with you"

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Sometimes, "Yes, do as I say!" just doesn't get the message through.

[-] beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 week ago

Father Linus T has had that name longer.

[-] exu@feditown.com 1 points 1 week ago
[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 7 points 1 week ago

Real as in "are they sword fighting to the death?" - no

Real as in "have they come together in person to take a picture?" - likely yes

[-] DishonestBirb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Yes, they recently shot a video together.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Wow. I have a bit more respect for one than the other. The dweeb made a video where he pretended to try Linux and botched it on purpose

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Not on purpose in the way you are suggesting... he tried it all on his own in earnest, but made a dumb mistake not reading the prompt carefully enough or trying to understand it. But, he only got into that situation because of an error on Pop OS! maintainers' part. It was an unknown issue at the time until he uncovered it. OCAU thread that discussed the issue at the time

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've done a long analysis of that incident on using the swiss cheese model, it boils down to:

  • There was a bugged version of steam.deb released that would throw an incompatibility with some weirder desktops, to include Pop!_OS' kind-of-not-quite-Cosmic-yet fork of Gnome. This incompatibility would have it uninstall the entire GUI. Including X11.
  • This bug was found and patched long before this. But, the bugged version just happened to be in the apt cache of the image of Pop!_OS that Linus installed.
  • Pop!_OS didn't perform an apt update at any point during the onboarding cycle, or when launching the Pop!_Shop.
  • Linus went to install Steam, the Pop!_Shop saw that scary warning about uninstalling the GUI, and refused to do it.
  • Instead of googling "popos failed to install steam" and learning how to update before installing, Linus yelled at the camera about Linux requiring the terminal, googled how to install it from the terminal.
  • Most install instructions for Debian-based Linux tell you to apt update and apt upgrade before an apt install, but Linus seems to have only found the apt install instruction.
  • Possibly because Windows always says doing something can damage your computer, Linus ignored the warning and forced the install to continue.
  • APT happily uninstalled X11.

A lot of the fault falls on the design of Pop!_OS and how it handles the apt cache, that somehow neither the onboarding process nor launching the Pop!_Shop did it. Most of the time it's mostly not a problem mostly. But one time it was a major problem, on international television. In the same episode, Luke installed Linux Mint, and showed it prompting him to install updates, which refreshes the apt cache and prevents problems like this.

Some of it does fall on Linus. Rather than attempting do diagnose and solve a problem, he threw a little bitch fit.

[-] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

What's notable though is Linus' experience is likely to be very typical of an average non-technical Windows user's experience when it comes to dealing with problems.

To seemingly lose the ability to read when an error occurs and then just try and slam it through regardless instead of pumping the brakes and asking for help is all too common.

[-] nagaram@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago

I'm on year 5 of fully committed to Linux everything (minus work) and I still assume "oh yeah I can probably just sudo force the thing I want. Reading logs takes too long" and yeah it bites me in the ass sometimes.

Its weird to hold Linus (Tech Tips) to such a high standard for no other reason than he makes tech YouTube videos.

I'm a fucking sys admin and I make the same mistakes. Its human. I'm glad he's at least making Linux seem accessible while also bringing to light the realities of how different the troubleshooting strat is from Windows to Linux.

[-] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

I do think Linus should be held to a higher standard than the average joe, but yeah. IMO he should have done his due diligence to do things right. It was just very low effort for a guy whose professional life revolves around tech.

Some people go way too far with lambasting him though.

[-] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I have to disagree, the point of the video was to try how Linux was for someone to switch over to. People engage with Linux like that and pop os changed the error bypass command as a result. It was a net positive for desktop Linux.

Now ltt as a whole? Yeah, no. Reviewing coolers on the wrong GPU, auctioning off prototypes instead of returning them, recommending people use insecure windows debloaters, etc. is completely unacceptable.

This was really interesting to read.

[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I don't get your logic. Why would he do it on purpose? He's been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now, why would he fail on purpose.

Honestly, what happened seems like something pretty normal for someone that isn't a programmer or system admin. I remember when consoles were black boxes to me and I wouldn't understand anything that was written in there even though today it might seem extremely obvious. It was just bad luck that his attempt lined up with a Pop!_OS bug, he didn't expect that such a normal use case as installing Steam would result in him deleting his desktop environment, and just saw the last line and did what it said.

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

On purpose, or on stupid? Answers prompt with "I know what I am doing", breaks system, complains.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

…while being forced to do so to achieve a basic thing, and after finding it as the solution on the web (because it usually is). Remember, Pop!_OS screwed up so badly that the installation of a common user program caused the removal of core system packages. While it's correct to expect people to read warnings, expecting beginners and common users to either learn about the (very complex) inner workings of an operating system just to install something or to let go of their entire gaming library is unreasonable. And although Linus of course should have an interest in learning these things given his work and should've taken more care, the video was specifically to showcase how their experience as new users look like. And Pop!_OS was generally regarded as user-friendly, not as solely aimed at professionals (important detail).

If the only solution to a problem with a very common task on a user-friendly OS is hidden behind an advanced-level skill wall (yes, knowing all the important packages if your OS means you're an advanced user) that may kill you if you do a single wrong action then your system offers shitty solutions.

Fortunately both user-friendly distros and aspects of them like Flatpak have gone way further since then, so this shouldn't happen as easily anymore. The warnings in apt are way more noticeable now too I think. The Linux community learned from all the bad press… most of it at least.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

He explained he was trying to approach it as an average user. But that seems disengenous to me. That warning was scary as fuck. Anyone stupid enough to go far out of their way to break their system against very strong warnings, gets what they get. The average users I know wouldn't have done that unless they were pretty much done trying and didn't care if it broke their system anyhow

Windows says shit like "This may harm your computer" for just about anything, especially installing software. Windows users are trained to ignore warnings like that, warnings in Linux are serious.

On the other hand, yes. Reading what is on a computer screen is beyond 117.9% of the population.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I was more hoping for the "Well Excuuuuuseee me, Princess" Link, but I'll take it.

[-] Lawnman23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

CD-i Link has entered the chat…

[-] Thorry@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me Princess

[-] dwt@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

Oh man, I want that source!

[-] dwt@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxJH41xfgExAQbc1ej3AkWVqSVjeR93WFf

Currently latest post, no idea how to link to that directly

[-] HouseWolf@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago

I'm seeing double here, four Linus's!

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

The katana are also named Linus.

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