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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones cannot use his personal bankruptcy to escape paying at least $1.1 billion in defamation damages stemming from his repeated lies about the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre, a U.S. bankruptcy judge ruled Thursday.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 253 points 2 years ago

They say this, yet he's still making and spending to the tune of 100k per month and the courts aren't doing anything about it. Rich people don't get to go broke like the rest of us, he's gonna keep living in a nice house and making millions and get away with not paying anyone, and the courts won't do shit

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 101 points 2 years ago

This is part of due process in doing something about it. Unfortunately it's a lot faster to commit crimes and get "creative" with moving money in not-quite-crimes-but-still-bullshit than it is to weigh up their legality and enforce appropriate penalties.

When a legal system relies heavily on precedent as guidance and technicalities can destroy a decision, and fixing that might take decades and destroy lives, you have to make sure it's good. Especially when this many people are watching.

Unfortunately you're very right that the slow speeds to ensure precision are easily and visibly exploited by scumlickers like Jones.

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago

The good news is that he’s not nearly clever enough to actually hide assets. They will get tracked over time and seized.

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[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 2 years ago

I can see why you would think this, but this is a very unusual case. Particularly so given the decision in this article.

You're dead right in that rich people don't go broke like the rest of us - because they have accountants and lawyers set up complex business structures so if something falls over they can just walk away (or drive away in their nice car to their nice house).

This article is pretty much saying that all that usual dance isn't going to work in this case - he still has to pay $1.1b.

Also, there's no law that prevents him from going on making money. That may not feel "right" or just but that dynamic is the same even for poor people. That said, at 100k per month it would take him 916 years to pay $1.1b soo... he might curtail his luxurious lifestyle, maybe not.

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[-] Skwerls@discuss.tchncs.de 107 points 2 years ago

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving "person". This isn't going to bring the kids back but at least it'll stop people from fucking harassing the parents decades later. Jones is mentally fucked up and he deserves to be locked up.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

And yet I believe he still will not pay them a dime... just like if trump loses all his court cases in New York, I really believe he will just refuse to pay and force them to chase him around asking for that money for the rest of his life. Rich people never have to pay fines in the US, its all for show, they always find a way to get around everything.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The victims will almost certainly not see the full $1.1B, or even anything close to that. Not because Jones will hole up his money and refuse to pay, but because Jones doesn't have the assets to cover it, and never will. With a judgement hanging over him, he will be unable to raise the capital necessary to ever pay it back--it takes money to make money, especially when you need to crack the billion dollar mark.

Jones himself is still fucked. Rich people get away with stuff because they hire good lawyers. Jones forgot that part of the plan.

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[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago

You are aware that he doesn't have a choice whether he pays, right?

Court orders will be issued for his assets. You don't see rich people paying for their crimes because they get away with it. Successful scumbags don't put themselves in positions like this.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 2 years ago

Right. Successful scumbags have lawyers that are worth a damn, and make some kind of defense before the judge stops waiting and enters a default judgement. Jones already failed that part. The rest is inevitable.

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 89 points 2 years ago

HAHA

Fuck you Alex Jones

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago

That's... wild.

Aside from whatever you feel about this guy, he's fucked. It might take some time but the victims will start to get court orders to seize his assets, which they can then present to banks, police, and other authorities, who will then turn them over directly.

The USA has it's fingers in almost every financial network in the world and Alex Jones can no longer be safe anywhere except basically crypto, bad actor countries, and I guess cash in his mattress. For the rest of his life. And he can't escape it with bankruptcy.

He'll be better off trying to get citizenship in Russia or China or something and never coming back.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago
[-] SuperJetShoes@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Yep, good. Look at the damage he did. He'll have sufficient funds to have food and shelter. Anything beyond that he does not deserve.

How much divisiveness did he cause?
How many screaming arguments?
How many families did he break up?
How many bar room fights?
How much pain for grieving parents?

Fuck him, he's a cunt.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago
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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago

Time to start freezing assets and looking for what he's got offshore (and in Russia).

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago

Well since the USA has brought back debtor prisons anyhow, I know someone that ought to be in one

[-] Razgriz18@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Dude, what the fuck. How morally bankrupt is the US?

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Think of the lowest point you can imagine and still have a functioning society. Realize there's at least a solid third that want to go lower than that.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 52 points 2 years ago

I love this for him.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago
[-] Sammy@startrek.website 22 points 2 years ago

I was once told by a wise man, “Jar-jar Binks has a Caribbean, black accent”.

This is what the “loser little, lil titty baby” deserves. Only a shame it’s arriving so late.

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Couldn’t have happened to a better guy, honestly

[-] Rally@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago
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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

So how does paying these fines work? Does he give a percentage of his earnings or what?

[-] ChefTyler1980@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Creative accounting will show him making $0/year until his death

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