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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 73 points 6 days ago

What part of tiny pie charts was necessary? Just make a heatmap but in dots.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago

Right? Is this a revival of dataisugly?

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[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 3 points 4 days ago

A histogramme would have been great. The map doesn't bring much.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago

How much sense does a heatmap make if you have one data point per country? Also, I don't know what you mean by dots? (Asking to understand)

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Put a dot on the map for each data point, or colour regions if that's how the data is.

Given this is effectively one piece of data (% of income on rent) you can colour it on a scale. A red dot is 100% on rent. A green dot is 0% on rent. Colours in between represent middle states.

I actually prefer this though, easier to see detail instead of having to compare shades of colours, our brains have issues with that sometimes. (This can be avoided with a good colour scheme I guess?)

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago

Greatly prefer this as well. It's a lot easier to tell the difference between 50 and 75% with a pie chart than it is with your eyeballs looking at how similar or different two colors are.

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[-] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago

Dot heatmaps font represent accurate numbers the same as this. Which size is 70%? Which is 50?

Nah that's a bad choice.

[-] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 63 points 6 days ago

Geezus Lisbon, get your shit together.

[-] guy@piefed.social 25 points 6 days ago

"Wow can't be fun to live in Tiran- holy fuck Lisbon!"

[-] Zedd00@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago

Tirana got crazy quick. 2 years ago we rented a 3 bedroom in the center for €850/month. Now you frequently see 1 bedrooms further out for €1200.

[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago

Isnt it the expats that are driving up the prices

[-] guy@piefed.social 26 points 6 days ago

Iirc it's not immigrants but Airbnb. I've read articles about it, but it might be somewhere else

[-] huppakee@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago

I've read both are true. Tourism + digital nomand, because Portuguese weather is good and lisbon is relatively affordable, but i'm sure a local could give you a better answer.

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[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 26 points 5 days ago

This is, quite possibly, the most useless map I've seen.

Not only is it using average salaries, it's also only looking at country capitals, where executive salaries are notoriously obnoxious.

For this to have any real-life use, it should be using the median salary, at the very least, and use the average apartment price based on data from, I don't know, top-10 cities.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Came here to see if it was median or not.

Bern filled with rich people making housing cheap I guess. /j

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 days ago

That would be better, although I'd guess it would look similar in the end.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It would look VERY different. The median salary in Poland in 2024 was around €1550. The average monthly rent for an apartment in Warsaw in 2025 is €1440. The average price of groceries for a month in Warsaw is around €220.

Assuming you work from home and your water/heating/electricity/Internet costs are somehow zero (they aren't), you're still -€110 per month, instead of having half your salary left.

Large cities are notoriously expensive in Poland.

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[-] Blaze@piefed.zip 48 points 6 days ago

Weird choice to not include cities as big as the capitals. Milan, Zurich and Barcelona would definitely have been interesting.

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[-] fx242@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Investment funds hoarding all houses on the market. Entire buildings getting purchased and people evicted, just to transform them in to another boring AirBnB or hostel.

Waddahell goin on in Portugal. How are they not dead from starvation or is food just that cheap?

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 days ago

Once again, Portugal is so far west it underflows into eastern Europe.

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is this 3D diagrams across a 2D map?

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago
[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

They can't answer. The internet money was used to tip the landlord.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Local politicians seem to be more interested in "unicorn factories" and WebSummit show off events than solving the issues of the people that elected them. Twice. So the voters may not be too bright either.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

What's going on in Lisbon?

[-] Vrijgezelopkamers@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Policies that are too welcoming to expats with high incomes and foreign remote workers that like sunny weather and cheap everything.

Also: air b&b’s and cheap ryanair flights

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[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

The best second best weather in Europe 🤐

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

No but seriously, Lisbon how?

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

demand

lots of people want to live there. rents go up.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

And there are always openings because they all starve to death?

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[-] groet@feddit.org 17 points 6 days ago

Using a pie chart to represent a single (scalar) data point ... Bad map! Bad map!

[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Using a pie chart ~~to represent a single (scalar) data point ...~~ Bad ~~map~~! Bad ~~map~~!

FTFY

[-] mech@feddit.org 10 points 5 days ago

I can't speak for the other countries, but HOW IN THE FUCK would you even find a 1 bedroom apartment in Berlin?
Also, the average salary isn't what someone living in a 1 bedroom apartment would earn.
I'm over 40, working as an IT sysadmin, and just recently started making an average salary for Germany.
The average is skewed heavily by the top 10% who make a lot more than everyone else.
If you want to discuss housing prices, compare with the median instead.

[-] merci3@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

lisbon 🥀🥀

[-] scytale@piefed.zip 11 points 5 days ago

Terrible charts aside, Bern and Vienna were surprising to me. Good wages? Or rent control laws?

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

adequate housing supply for the housing demand.

a concept a lot of cities actively refuse to believe is possible by their obsession with limiting development.

for rents to be stable you need 6-7% of available units vacant. almost double that vacancy if you want to drive prices down.

the vacancy rate in many places is like 1%. hence the rents going up super fast YoY. in my city people bid up rent because there are so few apartments available. so it lists for 2800/mo and the person that gets it is paying 3200/mo.

my city builds like 5000 new apartments per year. the population is growing by like 25,000 people per year. so the rent is skyrocketing. we keep adding lots and lots of jobs. every new development is like 5000 jobs, and 100 apartments. where are the other 4900 people going to live?

[-] starchylemming@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

one reason why vienna is better than other cities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeindebau

they saw a problem and started building

lol one complex is even called karl marx hof

edit: chart is awful indeed it features capital cities only. Berlin is still cheaper than München. not for a lack of trying tho

[-] ooli3@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago

unfortunately there is no amount of wage that prevent high rent.. on the contrary. All the city with low relative rend have rent control laws.

And they must be updated often since landlords try to sneak their way.

For exemple, in Paris, there is a fashion trend of building offering " coworking rent", where they rent you a 10m2 for exuberant price, and they justify it by having a "PC room " in the building or something. So the city is in the process of banning thoses "coworking" place, which are just a way to bypass rent control law

[-] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Nothing like an infographic to immediately enrage nerds

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

Looking at this map and its indecipherable piecharts made me go "huh most of the capitals are actually livable" ... then I compared them with the only place where I have an idea of the rent, Copenhagen, and WTF?

I wouldn't even move to Copenhagen, how the fuck are y'all affording these other prices? Undisclosed income? WTF?!?

[-] mech@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

Average salary is a useless metric. A small number of people make so much money that it raises the "average" to much more than what the "average" worker earns.

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[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The arithmetic mean of city-center and outside-center one-bedroom apartment rents was used.

Ain't no one renting in the center of Moscow unless they're approaching fuck-you money.

[-] j5906@feddit.org 7 points 5 days ago

#portugalsukablyat

[-] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 8 points 5 days ago

This is a bad "map". The pie charts add clutter to the image, and it's not immediatly obvious how two cities compare. The country borders offer no additional information other than vague context for those who know what countries are located where. Since there is only one datapoint per country, it might as well have been a line of columns showing percentage of salary used by colouring part of the column red. The map medium does not help in anyway to provide the information.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

ITT: people with no idea how to represent a proportion.

Pie charts are correct, here.

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