Ubuntu 26.04 LTS - The Roadmap (discourse.ubuntu.com)

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[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 months ago

Yeah snap killed Ubuntu for me. I used pop for years, flirted with fedora, but, vanilla Debian is just so good and reliable, that's where I've landed.

[-] signofzeta@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Agreed! Though give me the backports any day.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Back when I used it for a couple years, maybe twenty years ago, it always felt a little broken in many ways. That was long before the whole snap mess. Anyway I never really thought of it as a quality product.

[-] ashleythorne@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Snap is interesting for me it can do more things than flatpak and has some really interesting sandboxing features coming up such as permission prompts for filesystem access.

But Canonical management is a significant hindrance. The Snap Store simply cannot be trusted after so much malware got in and they still have not improved their processes. So many snaps including Canonical's own, are still using core22 for some reason. And there's the broken snaps Canonical pushed on users.

I would love to see a snap repo that takes the best parts of Flathub and Fedora Flatpaks. Because as a technology, I think snap beats flatpak (if you're using AppArmor). But it's Canonical's poor management that really drags it down.

[-] jlsalvador@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago

On the other hand:

Loop-device exhaustion (slow, though Ubuntu has increased the limit via a patch).
A single point of failure due to Canonical’s repository imposition (a closed garden).
Unmaintained branches and snapped apps.
Implicit installation of snapped apps through the apt CLI instead of the originally supported packages 🤬 (what the hell, Canonical!? Are you doing the same crap as Microsoft?).

The server-side closed garden is the opposite of an open ecosystem and the open-source community. You can add custom repositories to APT or Flatpak. Every new snap interaction feels like another step toward forcing the user to use it, instead of offering cool features that convince users on their own merits.

The last change (installing snapped apps when you run apt install) was horrendous. What’s next? Installing snapped apps when the user runs flatpak install?

[-] ashleythorne@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

All of those, apart from loop devices, are not technical limitations, but results from Canonical's poor management and monopolistic desires.

[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

The only logical reason for them forcing users into their own, proprietary snap store, when a user is trying to install from another source, is they want complete control over that ecosystem. And the only reason for that is so that they can eventually sell it to a huge player like Microsoft or Google or Amazon.

They are completely untrusted with that slimy move.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Huh. I don't know enough about Flatpak, I guess repo owners get to make that call? Do Flatpaks have a preinst equivalent? Could you theoretically have an empty Flatpak that installs snaps at a system level? I guess it would need explicit permission to write to the filesystem, which kinda seems to be the opposite of the purpose of Flatpak.
And like, even if that is possible, the Flathub maintainers would probably reject it on principle. So I'm imagining CanHub with an extra step in the installation instructions that gets you to pipe a curl'd script into sh, at which point, what's the point?

[-] ashleythorne@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Flatpak recently got a method of preinstalling flatpaks.

A flatpak cannot install a snap on your system. Apt can install a snap because when apt installs and updates packages, it can also run scripts as root. That's insecure and potentially dangerous, so flatpak doesn't have that ability.

[-] jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network 5 points 3 months ago

Ubuntu lost the plot.

Glad we still have Debian!

[-] orygin@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago

What makes you say that? In the post apart from the usual snap bs, it all seems pretty standard and good. Not even a single AI mention.

[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

The snap bullshit is not bullshit. It's a legitimate sabotage, cheating the user, and making a walled garden.

They're not trustworthy.

[-] piexil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Did you read the changes?

They are enabling auto update for some snaps and updating some snaps to a new core. They don't say they're pushing anything else

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Hopefully Linux Mint would focus on Debian instead of Ubuntu.

[-] RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

It's that part of (every other) year!

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Yess, updated documentation!!!!!!!

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