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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[-] Archer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

10 comments and the pro Russia bots are already here

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Such is life currently: hyperbolic questions in ironic comments like " have you proof about Ruzz agression, because the West..." etc.

Smh, about the contrast between their potential to embrace a grand selfdeception and the arrogant stubbornness to look away from the invasive destruction and killings Shahed drones cause on a daily bases for more than a thousand days.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some of those kinds of comments are typically from terminally online Marxist-Leninists.

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[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 11 points 2 weeks ago

Let the comments here be a friendly reminder to people that they should block and boycott the .ml instance

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I love how it occurs so naturally that by the time I come into a post that talks about Russia and Ukraine, half the posts are already limited and I can't expand threads because people replying are ones I've already blocked in other posts for being absolutely developmentally challenged.

[-] Xartle@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

I missed the drama. This was the first Lemmy account I made. Is this server overrun with bots now?

[-] devdoggy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

So the .ml stands for Marxist Lenin... Just to get you started.

[-] Maldreamer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not really, .ml stands for Mali domain. And just because someone believes in Marxist principle or communism isn't a issue. Personally for me why I am wary of .ml domain is because often I do see people posting obvious Chinese and North Korean propoganda with shady source and wild claims and their refusal to accept criticism of China or other communist past and present regimes. Also they get really defensive and assume you are pro west or pro imperialism when you happen to criticize china for something and then their whole argument would be bashing the west when both are to fault.

[-] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The devs for Lemmy are Marxists and they setup lemmy.ml as the first lemmy instance. They chose .ml because for them it stands for Marxist-Leninist, despite what ICANN officially regards it as.

Also, like you point out, the instance pushes a lot of bizarre propaganda and dissent is often met with bans. From my observations, criticism of Russia or China can get you banned, presumably because these countries have a history of communism. Also, they even defend Putin and justify the invasion of Ukraine.

In my view, it’s one thing to be communist. It’s another to align yourself with the worst examples of it. Many communists distance themselves from the CCP and USSR, arguing that these were not real examples of communism. But, these folks in .ml seem to be defenders of it.

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[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I love you got three angy downvotes for explaining this.

I'm sad there isn't an appropriate gif of an "angry tankie" shaking his fist.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Most of them are bot accounts run from the Philippines anyway.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I thought it stood for militant left

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

In the spirit of inclusive leftism, I say it stands for both!

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago

That is for the best. The US is a hostile power, and allowing it to embed enemy troops or sabotage NATO operations should not be permitted. Europe is better off without the traitorous Trump Regime.

It sucks that it has to be this way, but to deny the intent and nature of the current United States, is to invite disaster.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Meanwhile USA is fully prepared to comfort Russia.

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Thankfully Russia can't afford to stretch themselves much more. I implore them to try something it shouldn't take much to fuck them at this point.

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[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

NATO/EU needs to start moving resources more into place. This will cause putin to have to move troops out of Ukraine to balance.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

it would really be something else if they fought them off successfully and the united states looked like pussies and assholes

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 5 points 2 weeks ago

They already do. US is currently the only country pushing for surrender (note, it's not just Ukraine, peace plan forces stuff from US too, including industry help and money) while negotiating with terrorists. It will take a very long time for me to see US in the same light I used to. Imagine US surrendering to ISIS. Beyond humiliating.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

Those two things are not synonymous.

Romanian military are concerned it would take allies time to get to the front (I.e. it would take time for NATO to mobilise in the event of an unanticipated invasion of Romania). However firstly that doesn't mean victory wouldn't be ultimately achieved (allied forces had a bad time of it during the first part of the second world war, but ultimately were victorious) and secondly it assumes that Russia would be able to rally its forces (what forces) and initiate a surprise invasion despite Europe heavily monitoring Russian military activity. Which all seems unlikely.

I'm also unclear about why 260 km is considered an insurmountable distance. In an emergency that distance could be covered in a couple of hours, (I'm assuming that liberation forces and not required to obey the speed limit) presumably everyone would be going the other way in any case.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

The tanks and howitzers are not at Bucharest and they can't drive 200 km/h.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah because the Russians aren't going to invade. They would have to amass troops along the border we'd have some time.

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