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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by alehel@lemmy.zip to c/games@lemmy.world

Currently, only GOG and Itch are still selling this game.

EDIT: It seems the game has returned to Humble Bundle.

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[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Steam was the first major storefront to refuse to carry Horses, a first-person psychological horror adventure about "the burden of familial trauma and puritan values, the dynamics of totalitarian power, and the ethics of personal responsibility" set on a ranch where nude human beings in horse masks are treated as livestock.

Publisher Santa Ragione said in November that Valve declined to carry Horses because it contained "content that appears, in our judgment, to depict sexual conduct involving a minor." Santa Ragione disputed that characterization, but an appeal was rejected and the ban stands.

Seems like it's treading a very fine line...

[-] iambatman1469@ttrpg.network 3 points 2 months ago

They just have to claim she's 1000 years old like the Japanese do.

[-] Kraiden@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

content that appears, in our judgment, to depict sexual conduct involving a minor

I'm assuming they don't mean a suggestive camera pan, but actually something problematic on screen, in which case, I totally support the ban. Devs were given the opportunity to change it, and they said no. Ban away imho. The fact that this is considered controversial is pretty disturbing to me.

[-] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It was a child doing pony play, riding a naked adult man-horse. The dev claimed it was not sexual.

This was removed later but it's the build you send for review that gets reviewed. Other stores got a later version, hence why it passed on those.

Dev was not given a chance to remove it as it turns out steam has a policy that anything that resembles CSAM gets denied permanently.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Does being naked make something sexual? I would argue that for content to be sexual it has to have intent to cause arousal.

The fact that it vaguely resembles fetish content does not in and of it's self make it fetish content.

The trailers i have seen for this game do not seem to intend to cause arousal, they seem to want to make the player empathize with the plight of domesticated animals

[-] markz@suppo.fi 1 points 2 months ago

I can believe the the dev in that it wasn't intended to be sexual. But should intent excuse otherwise unacceptable content? Valve says it depicts a sexual interaction, though that seems to be debated a lot.

My own opinion is that it's too close, and that this is the kind of boundary shouldn't be pushed. Despite intentions, the dev really should have known better than to send in anything that could be interpreted as even remotely pedo content.

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[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

I haven't heard about the details, what's your source on that?

As far as I recall, the developer said he didn't know the actual reason for the ban.

[-] markz@suppo.fi 4 points 2 months ago

Some previous article which contained valve's response, and a description of the scene. I didn't find it immediately, but I'll check again.

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[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm almost thru the game and I did not notice any sexual conducts with minors

EDIT: Btw. Something that I thought was only done for screenshots, but the nudity in-game is censored/pixelated.

[-] Kraiden@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Yep, I've since read some other articles and it seems there's more to this specific case

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Assuming the content is merely controversial and not objectionable (i.e. exploitative), it seems there may be room for an art-centric game store front.

Ironically, I'm betting it's nowhere near as exploitative as the monetization practices of virtually every AAA release these days.

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[-] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

The game company seems to have thought that they could drum up sales on other platforms by making this a media thing. Based on the additional platforms pulling out, it might have backfired. They could have let their little horse-porn game quietly release on every platform but Steam and made enough to get by. Instead they drew attention to themselves.

[-] GreyCat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Good on you for dismissing years of work from a group of people as a "little horse-porn game".

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago

Did it not work tho? This was my first itch.io purchase ever

[-] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Not arguing the effectiveness of drumming up drama to sell your game, but they have also lost the accessibility of three major platforms in doing so.

[-] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Since I'm getting down voted I have rewritten this comment for clarity.

I first heard of this game when it was being advertised on GOG as being "Banned by Steam"

Since it was only five dollars I bought it thinking Mastercard and Visa were up to their old shit again.

Later I found Steam banned it because they mistook a placeholder graphic for CSAM and had strict no second chances policies about that.

So now I am asking why did Epic ban it? Because now I'm worried I was hustled into buying kiddie porn by GOG disguising it as an anti-censorship protest.

[-] alehel@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

All characters in the game now are 20 years or older. So you didn't buy any, no.

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Is it actually any good? I don't really play horror, but it mostly just looks odd in the trailer.

[-] hexx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Making the matter even more frustrating is the fact that Horses is apparently quite good—or at least, it accomplishes what it sets out to do. The content is decidedly uncomfortable but reviews and reactions on social media are largely positive

Horses is not low-effort, throwaway trash, but rather a game that genuinely seeks to provoke consideration and conversations.

From the article.

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[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Wait, I thought this game was a depiction of what we subject horses to, using a horror lens to drive home the point? I've never heard of something less sexy?

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Sounds like the gaming equivalent of the play "Equus".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_(play)

I can see why some would shy away from it, but banning it is the sort of thing that will keep gaming from becoming a unique art form. 😟

[-] dukemirage@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

It already is a unique art form. This is not defined by the commercial availability, and this game wouldn’t be the first art piece that understands controversy as part of its essence.

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