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[-] testfactor@lemmy.world 99 points 2 days ago

The biggest thing with auto insurance isn't covering your car, it's covering the cost of whatever you hit sueing you.

Your car may only be worth $3,000, but if you hit a pedestrian and they require a dozen surgeries and are wheelchair bound for life, you bet you're ass you're getting sued for a few million in medical costs.

In a reasonable country, those medical costs would be free, but since they're not you need some sort of protection against once accident bankrupting you in civil suits.

[-] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Why is car insurance so expensive in all the other countries then?

[-] testfactor@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

In addition to what everyone else said, property damage is a big part of it as well.

Let's say you run into a building and knock out a load bearing wall. Or plough through a business or government office. It's not impossible to rack up a couple million in damages if you crash bad enough.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Real answer: in most other countries you can be punitively sued, ex: if a person wants to recoup the emotional damages from being crippled. You can also, depending on the country, be made to cover the cost of services provided by the medical system if you were found to be at fault (I don't know how often that happens for an individual vs. a large company, but that's how the rates were explained to me by a UK colleague)

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

In a reasonable country, public insurance would charge your auto insurance to recover costs. The harms and risks of car ownership don't need further subsidies

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

I never really thought about that before. That's probably why america hasn't had healthcare for all, the insurance companies are lobbying (bribing) the shit out of the republicans.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Health insurance companies are lobbying the shit out of both parties. Car insurance companies would love universal healthcare. It would drop their outlays which would increase their profits.

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[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don't mind paying for auto insurance, but I also get more out than I pay :(

I probably pay in 5-6k before my car gets totaled and I get a payout higher than that before I start the process again.

Just once I want to be able to keep a car to the point where it's actually paid off .....

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago
  1. Where do you live that you total a car every so often you don't even pay them off

  2. What cars.? There's no way somebody survives more than 2 totals, are you good?

  3. Do you still want to drive after all of this?

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

To point 2, do you know how easy it is to total a car? If you have any appreciable damage to the vehicle, it can be enough to total it. 2 of the crashes I've been in were parking lot speeds and it's still enough to total it. Like, a light tap (<15mph) to the pillar separating the front and back doors is enough to total a car if it's not worth a ton

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[-] Devial@discuss.online 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The difference is that (in theory at least), insurance will pay your full costs, regardless of how much you've already paid in. You can sign an auto insurance on one day, pay in 100$, then get into a 20k$ crash the next, and get the entire costs covered.

A retirement savings fund is capped by how much money you've put in it. You can never take out more money than you've put in (+interest/portfolio growth).

That's kinda the whole point of insurance. If you want an insurance model like described in the post, well nothing is stopping you from opening an ETF or other savings fund, and dedicating it to auto payments. It's not like you need a dedicated industry/service for that.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Exactly. Insurance is best thought of as similar to gambling, but functionally the opposite. It's "I'm giving you $x per month knowing that I'm probably going to lose money on this exchange, but in return if I'm hit with y disaster that it would be very difficult to financially recover from then you pay for it".

I get that some people are frustrated by it during financial squeezes, and with liability insurance it can be annoying as it's mandatory. But as someone who's gotten a renter's insurance payout, the relief of "thank fuck I'm not out thousands of dollars while having to deal with this disaster" is immense

[-] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

That's exactly how it started! People would go to a major bookmaker like Lloyd's coffee shop and place a bet against themselves. So you would bet that your ship would sink or your house would burn down or that you would suffer a crop failure. Then if the bad thing happened you would win the bet.

Of course, if the odds are close the bet would be very expensive, so you'd have to do monthly financing. But what if the catastrophic event happens before the bet is fully paid?

Somebody had the genius idea to pool everybody's bet and run the odds.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I can't fault people for being confused or frustrated when we also have insurance that's intended to work as the primary means of payment.

Having our crap tastic excuse for a medical payment system be based in insurance, and then having another mandatory insurance system that's somehow less helpful is reasonably frustrating.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

You still have to pay for insurance even with the fund though. It's required by law.

[-] Redfugee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It probably varies based on states but in CA you can put a deposit in with the DMV in lieu of getting insurance. The deposit would be used for any damages you are liable for. I don't remember the amount but it made insurance seem like a better deal to me personally since the coverages went way beyond the deposit amount.

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[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

One car insurance company where I live operates kinda like this. USAA.

Every subscriber is a member. Every year, after they pay operating costs, they take the money left over from premiums and put it into accounts distributed across all the members. When you reach a certain age you can withdraw the money accumulated in your account.

[-] ziproot@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago

It’s amazing what you can do when you aren’t accountable to shareholders

[-] Seaguy05@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I haven't heard of this. What's this benefit called?

Edit: I should take one minute before asking questions.

Member-Owned Structure: Unlike a publicly traded company that pays dividends to stockholders, USAA is a reciprocal interinsurance exchange, meaning its members are also its owners. Profits, after expenses and reserve requirements are met, are returned to members.

Subscriber Savings Account (SSA): A small percentage of the property and casualty insurance premiums paid by an eligible member is retained by USAA and allocated to an SSA in their name.

Annual Distributions: The USAA Board of Directors decides each year how much capital is needed for reserves. Any excess is distributed back to members from their SSA. This distribution amount can vary annually based on factors like the company's financial performance and the member's longevity and account balance.

Payout Options: Members typically have the option to: Apply the distribution to their insurance premiums. Receive the funds via direct deposit or check

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[-] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 60 points 2 days ago

Then if you are in an accident or something happens to your car, they'll try not to pay out and even if they do, they'll make you pay even more every month, regardless of whether the accident was your fault or not. Oh and you have to have it where I live or you're breaking the law.

[-] bizarroland@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Where I live, you can choose to not have it as long as you take $50,000 and put it into a bank account and secure it and not touch that $50,000 as long as you are driving without insurance.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

All insurance companies and lotteries take in huge amounts of cash and pay relatively little back. The whole economy is a scam if everyone needs "insurance".

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

A lot of people can afford an insurance premium, and perhaps a deductible, but won't have enough for a $40,000 liability even if they saved for years.

What is suggested in this post is not much different from the past where poor people simply went on not having coverage and ended up in indentured servitude working off debts with manual labor like picking rocks. It's also just a thread away from Health Sharing Ministries, which is just a catastrophic failure whose nuance cannot be accurately depicted in a short comment.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

In Germany this is usually pretty well handled, you paid a bit more for full coverage and they cover all costs of repair etc. But if you're in lots of accidents each time your insurance cost rises. If you have little to no accidents for a few years, the insurance cost sinks. It is also mandetory for your vehicle to have insurance, avoiding sudden private insolvency.

[-] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

To be clear, you need liability insurance for your vehicle, so if you cause harm to someone else their claims are covered. You don't need to have insurance for your own damages. The state doesn't really care about your solvency, only for the solvency of your potential victims.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

You are correct, thanks for the clarification.

[-] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

My bicycle theft insurance also pays for regular checks, and routine repairs.

[-] stray@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

I wonder if it's because bicycle insurance isn't required and therefore needs to actually offer something in order to attract customers. It's probably unwise that we leave to capitalism the kinds of insurance which are so important they need to be legally mandated.

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