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"It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home."

We must not repeat this same mistake again. Remember to always vote in every election and consider volunteering to knock on doors. It can make a difference. There are elections that are decided with just a small number of votes.

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[-] frisbird@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

And WHY DID PEOPLE STAY HOME?

I assure you that it is the party's job to inspire people to vote and not the people's job to inspire the party.

[-] BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Eh, really there should be a sort of virtuous cycle happening in that regard. But for sure it is the fault of the party here for choosing big money over its constituents

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[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It is literally the people's job to keep an insane lunatic from running the country. Because we didn't the loss of USAID is going to net 5 figure deaths including many kids. Tell the thousands of kids you whacked sorry.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Heaven forbid you tell people they have a civic duty no matter who is on the ballot.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Because Republicans intentionally tanked the vote by mail process that helped Biden win in 2020.

[-] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 4 months ago

By setting mailboxes on fire?

[-] frisbird@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Man, such an interesting thing to do under a Democratic president who knew exactly what was going on and who was in office when the SCOTUS ruled that anything the president did while in office was legal. If only someone could have stopped those damn Republicans!

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

Partially because of relentless messaging on social media claiming that it was the only moral thing to do.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

And it's the people's responsibility to vote.

Both failed. I definitely blame the losers who didn't show up as much as anyone else, though.

[-] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

You blame the poorest working class people and not the party that spent a billion on their campaign and still couldn't convince anyone they were worth voting for?

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[-] snooggums@piefed.world 18 points 4 months ago

If the next Dem presidential candidate would refrain from getting buddy buddy with Republicans it would be a lot easier to put in the effort to overcome voter suppression.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 4 months ago

Well, I think there's definitely good reason to reach out to voters of all stripes. Including Republicans. But voters are different than politicians. By reaching out and inviting the politicians who enable the damage in amongst them. They just make themselves complicit.

Democrats would do much better if they reached out to their own voters at all. Not just dismiss them and pal around with other out of touch politicians.

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[-] StayDoomed@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Maybe have a fucking primary and people won't stay home.

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Or, you know, vote, because fucking LUCIFER is on the ballot.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I can appreciate not wanting Lucifer to win but the average person doesn't get motivated by lesser of the two evils, its not enough. The other guy has to make them want to get off their ass. Obama made people want to get out and vote. Trump did too, as much as I don't like to admit it.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

And that just means we Americans get what we deserve.

It's a civic duty. The only people to blame are ourselves.

[-] warbond@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I don't think that puts enough blame on the assholes with money who are taking advantage of the system and intentionally tipping the scales

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I gotta imagine a fair amount of opposition to stuff like early voting or vote by mail is rooted in the idea that the easier we make it the more likely folks will vote for the lesser evil.

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[-] ninexe@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

You're part of the problem.

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[-] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 12 points 4 months ago

THEN STOP FUCKING RUNNING CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS WITHOUT MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES

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[-] flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 4 months ago

We kinda knew that anyways. Those people thought "ahhh, there couldn't possibly be that enough people to vote Trump again" and didn't vote until the fact broke out to them on election day.

And it's going to be an even harder pitch for Democrats if they keep pussy-footing the way that they have lately.

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 7 points 4 months ago

Kamala's not Good Enough

So you get Trump

"With every mistake We must surely Be learning "
-George Harrison

[-] velindora@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago

Have the day you voted for.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Trump won because he ran unopposed.

[-] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Trump had a primary that he led in consistently. Kamala ran a weak campaign, but in the end, Kamala's name was on the ballot. Also, neither Kamala nor Trump could impact policy without the permission of Congress, which is occupied primarily by Republicans who each ran for that seat.

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[-] tomatolung@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Way to Win pointed to three main problems that cost Democrats last year: Voters were upset not just about rising prices but about longer-term economic trends, and wanted change; Republicans and the far right have a built-in media advantage, thanks to years of investments, which made it harder for Democrats to break through; and movements on the left around issues like Gaza, racial and economic justice, and immigration weren’t aligned with the party.

Yea... Close...Not quite though. Basically, YOU HAVE TON FUCKING ACT YOU DIP SHITS! Do real things people can fucking believe in.

As it stand I still want both sides out of all the offices. When you actually represent me and the voters.... Not some corporate lobby group, PAC, or persons with more money than sense but "We The People", then I might vote for you.

Mamdani is a good start... If he follows through.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago

“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”

I'm sorry but that is bullshit. That's like saying that the protestor died because the gun released a bullet, completely forgetting that the police aimed at them in the first place.

Voters stayed home because they felt uninspired by whatever democratic candidates tried to represent. The thing is, i'm in europe and i do follow the news, but i barely ever heard any specific plans from Kamala. i never got the "oh wow that's a good idea" thought, because there was poor communication, no exposure, etc. It's all a bubble. If you're inside it, it seems like there's a lot of communication. But that communication doesn't leave the bubble because it doesn't speak the other's language. It refuses to communicate with people who are not already on the same page. That's why a lot of commenters are gonna reply to my comment, saying "no, actually, Kamala's messaging was great". Because they experienced it like that, because they actively seeked out the communication, and found it. But to the typical voter, who's not specially politically involved, and not specifically seeking out the communication, they don't get exposed to it.

On top of that what i'm strongly considering is that our political stances need to recognize that people really just want to live, both now and in the future. They want to have the economical perspective that they can buy nice stuff, and that the world is somehow gonna develop into a better tomorrow. A political party is gonna win exactly if it can provide these two to the people. That's what we need.

[-] ninexe@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you want me to vote, then you need to stop nominating corporate puppets.

I've showed up at every primary, for example.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

We've known since the day after election day something like 33 million fewer people voted, though.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

These comments clearly show that people are completely fine to repeat the same mistakes that opened the door for a fascist to take up the throne.

[-] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's better than before but not everyone gets it yet. When you see a comment like that the solution is to acknowledge or understand their concerns and then explain why it's still important to vote. The most common misunderstanding I see is that some people claim that both sides are the same because of one particular issue that is only a small part of what a candidate's policies are. We can do a let's look approach by asking them if they are the same on other issues and seeing if they are truly the same on the issue they are concerned about.

Or might be better to just educate people who are willing to learn instead of arguing with those who won't.

Also with that said on more reflection I do realize that some of these issues are past grievances that people bring up and hopefully next time they will vote. For example I do think not having a primary did cause some people to stay home. We must not repeat that same mistake, the next primary must be done fairly.

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