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[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

when discussing when China could catch up to the US in the semiconductor race.

BS. Untied states are not competitive at all for a long time. They should say China is catching up with Taiwan.

And it's not a race, there's no finish line, improvements have been happening for 50 years now and can continue for decades.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 months ago

That's just the imperialists telling on themselves. They don't consider what is Taiwan's as Taiwan's, but as being made exclusively for the US' benefit.

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[-] disconsented@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 months ago

That's not true, the reason why Taiwan is so far ahead is because of the US and the contributions from LLNL. That's part of how they've been able to force ASML to not sell to China.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

These machines are made only here. They are owned by a company in the Netherlands, though.

[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 months ago

If you were wondering what the hell EUV (Extreme Ultra-Violet) stood for:

https://waferscope.com/duv-vs-euv-whats-the-real-difference-in-chipmaking/

This table from the link sums it up pretty well:

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

Using shorter and shorter wavelengths of light to etch chips with a higher density of transistors.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Less material for greater performance, for those that want more simplicity.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Ya but we have the ten commandments in classrooms! Check mate

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

And the nations Press Secretary to the President did a degree on a softball scholarship. Fusion power imminent!

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Hey hey, getting those 10,000 year words on the walls shows peak GOP political speed.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Cut off a nation as big and determined as China and they will just become more self sufficient.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Given how the US has become more and more isolated as it turns hostile towards immigrants and what is called the Global South, of course the Mainland Chinese will befriend and establish trading deals with any country alienated by Trump. Like, for example, Taliban Afghanistan's mineral deposits.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

Nations can't be determined.

Anyway. Yes, but there's nuance, China is not heaven on earth.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The EU should secure a deal with Taiwan. The US has already tried to extort money of Taiwan by threatening the removal of protection. For the sake of democracy's power and prosperity, the EU should offer to officially protect Taiwan. Having access to quality chips is key to all sorts of things.

Anyhow, the channel 'Asianometry', has a video covering the physics of EUV machines. They are an incredible linchpin of our modern world.

The Extreme Engineering of ASML’s EUV Light Source

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The EU does not have the military capacity to protect Taiwan.

That's not mentioning that the EU is not a military alliance. That's the first political challenge to tackle.

Anyhow, the channel ‘Asianometry’, has a video covering the physics of EUV machines. They are an incredible linchpin of our modern world.

So true. This stuff is absolutely mind-blowing. Especially if you are old enough to remember how some of that seemed like almost unsurmountable problems. Now the solution are used in mass production.

[-] narinciye@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago

In the meanwhile, EU also have to focus on manufacturing of the chips themselves in the long run, instead of depending on a 20 million nation.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

The technology behind these 4nm chips and most of the lithography technology comes from EU.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Okay but Japan had a major breakthrough the other day that made this technique obsolete for the majority of components.

I mean if every headline about massive breakthroughs was the full truth all our appliances would be powered by tiny nuclear power plants and we would fly around with our jetpack. Cancer would be but a distant memory and world hunger a non issue because vertical farms would be literally in every home.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Average East-Asian news cycle:

China: “We are preventing the export of rare earth minerals to strengthen our country.”

US: “We are imposing tariffs to strengthen our economy.”

Japan: “22-year-old undergraduate turns a leaf into a battery.”

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

German-Japanese scientist:

[-] little_tuptup@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

so, no jetpacks?

[-] eleijeep@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago

What was the Japanese breakthrough? Got a link?

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Meanwhile ASML just stops doing R&D and give up on its extremely specialized supply chain. /s

[-] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I hope the can deliver on consumer hardware as we really need some competition here.

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