Bro literally pulled that gun out of their ass
damn i guess being as bad as you isn't that bad bang
Lol this is like the entirety of batmans ethos.
Which is why Jason Todd is such a great character (in the right hands).
That trope in movies always bugs me. It's such a stupid false equivalency.
that trope in real life bugs me too
And even dumber in real life.
Its what monsters use to protect themselves.
I've always thought of it as outright propaganda. You aren't supposed to use the same weapons as the enemy, cus then you are just as bad as them. You can't take power when it's available, else just as bad as them. You must remain pure, or else you'll be corrupted. Oh and off course, the lower of good always triumphs.
It's all propaganda to.mantaim existing power structures by funneling resistance into the least effect strategies, and it works.. it works really fucking well. Its a practical explanation for why leftists groups constantly eat their own. And it's all simplistic TV and movie tropes, but they've been around a long time and there is deep exposure from a very early age.
Especially after the protagonist has gunned down like a hundred security guards to get into that office.
I was thinking more in the sense of the villain giving their little speech to a protagonist that hasn't ever killed anyone that "If you kill me then your just like me, you'll be equally bad even though I've killed thousands and my death would actually be of benefit to the world."
I can't remember hearing any villain actually say anything like this in a while, though. Which recent movies did so? I feel like society caught on lol. The only time I can think of something sort of like this happening was in Fallout, when
Lucy spared the Ghoul in saying, "I'll never be like you," but even then, the villain never said anything; it came from the protagonist of her own accord. Personally, I thought that was one of the most profound scenes in the entire show in a positive way.

I know it’s a trope and a bit cliche but here’s a personal favorite “Not so different” remark. Love this poster (and the film obviously).
Ah, right, true. I've gotta re-watch that one, by the way!
Last of Us 2?
I don't see the problem.
there exists within media a CIA promoted ideal that the working people of a villainous organization don't matter but the head of said organization is a rational and moral actor. when spider-man pummels 100 guards to get to kingpin and then has a conversation about ethics with kingpin and ultimately captures kingpin instead of breaking his spine the way he did those random goons it creates within the mind a pro-hierarchy understanding of the world that those goons were there to be pummeled but that kingpin has access to agency they don't. a truly moral hero would enter the building, create a false dilemma for the guards to solve with their best solution being to leave the building for their own safety, and then beat up the guy with the most agency
Yes, obviously things like wars with non democratic states where the populace is not in favor of a war¹ should be ended with minimal collateral damage by doing whatever it takes to kill the guys in charge of stuff and spare as many conscripts as possible
But goon lives don't matter. Zuckerberg's personal security know what they're doing. The NYPD know what they're doing. I don't see any moral issue with their deaths.
¹so Russia but not the Zionists
Sure, but you and I live by a different code of ethics than the characters who are shown mowing down goons without regard and then letting the head bad guy who manipulated all those goons live. That's the part I'm saying is a problem. You either have to have a character enact a wholly non-violent solution to the problem, or you have to have the character murder their way up the org chart and confront the top bad guy with the same violence they confronted everyone else they encountered with. What we most often see in movies is a confirmation that those with power have power because they are supposed to, which is a fundamentally fascist world view
have a character enact a wholly non-violent solution to the problem
They really tried that with Superman!
True, but I'm saying it makes a lot more sense to be okay with both than to oppose both, in current context
Robespierre, this early?
Self-defense is not excluded from non-violent protest.
Ugh, first webp, now avif? Why can’t people just post a gods damned jpeg?
Because it's an inefficient format. Webp and avif are both a whole lot more efficient.
Fair enough. But can we just settle on one? The various formats aren’t much of an issue on desktop. Gets much more annoying when you’re primarily a mobile user and you have to wait for the various apps to support the new format fad.
OK here's the deal if you can make the AI data centers go away I'll start posting webp instead of jpeg
huh...? how are AI datacenters relevant here? I'd make them go away if I was some kind of wizard but sadly I am not
Unless you want to download it.
Get a real OS or rather a real media viewer LOL
I wouldn't have phrased it so harshly, but I agree, media viewers really should support modern formats.
to me the real problem is that most of us rely on really old protocols that would require standardization to be able to use these new, better, fomats. i can't send my friends webps and avifs if my friends are reliant on mms to recieve what i send them. so it's less a problem with oses and viewers and more a problem of needing to support the least technological protocol in frequent use
Dang, I hadn't even heard of avif yet. I wonder if that's why I just get an error and a little broken image icon instead of being able to see whatever the post's image is.
Eh, I'll live with it.
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