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Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn't it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

maybe fix your population crisis, and your HCOL, and the oversaturated degrees leading to low job prospects in your country before trying to distract the populace with "invading taiwan"

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Mainland China now is but communist only in name. So-called "Xi Jinping Thought" is the current setting.

That's why hardline National Democrats (NatDems), which the Maoist far left in my country call themselves, see Mainland China as an enemy as much as the United States.

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1974/04/10.htm

Deng once said of his denouncement of what he then called "social imperialism". Unfortunately prosperity brought in part by Western industry seeking for cheap labor is what partly pushed for the reversal of roles, whereupon Mainland China now gets more exceptionalism than its rivals, and is looking to complete its own "manifest destiny".

[-] bunchberry@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They never claimed to have a communist system to begin with. That is a western label placed upon them. Communist parties do not implement communist systems any more than green parties implement "green systems." They implement socialist systems.

Comparing this conflict to "manifest destiny" is just complete brainrot and doesn't make it seem like you are that interested in understanding the actual historical circumstances. This is an unresolved civil war due to the USA's invasion to protect one side of the civil war, which in China is viewed naturally as a major attack to their sovereignty so allowing a foreign power to just cut a piece of them off is viewed negatively due to the Century of Humiliation of them being carved up by foreign powers.

Both sides also agreed to the reunification of China and this "one-china policy" became internationally recognized by almost the entire world, and it was not until the year 2000 that Taiwan de facto stopped agreeing with this policy. You can make an argument that Taiwan's fairly recent desire for sovereignty should be respected without resorting to bizarre comparisons like Manifest Destiny, as this is obviously not what is going on for anyone who is intellectually honest about the situation at all.

This is not even an economic dispute and so trying to use Marxian analysis and throwing around buzzwords like "imperialism" is irrelevant. One of the biggest reasons the PRC hasn't invaded Taiwan is because they would be harmed from the destruction of TSMC, so if anything economic reasons are discouraging the PRC form acting than encouraging it. The desire for China to reunify with Taiwan is a cultural and historical disagreement, it is more of an ego thing. They view the splitting off of Hong Kong by the British, Macau by the Portuguese, and Taiwan by the USA as attacks on their national sovereignty and thus to their national pride, and have vowed to bring them all back into the fold for decades now, and Taiwan is the only one left.

It is really an ego thing more about national pride. Again, you can indeed argue that they their national pride shouldn't override Taiwan's right to self-determination, but it is not as deep as you make it out to be. If you read some of those Marxian books you would find that invasions for "imperialism" is supposed to have the goal of expanding to new markets, but China is already Taiwan's biggest trading partner by miles, they already dominate their market.

You are trying to make this way deeper than it actually is. This is about one state's ego and national pride vs another state's desire for self-determination. It is not some deep analysis over capitalism or socialism or imperialism.

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[-] Renohren@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

China isn't leftist.not even a bit.

[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

So Winnie the Pooh wants to challenge pedo donny for the Nobel peace price?

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Frankly, a part of me suspects that whole AI RAM and SSD hoarding rush into "data centers" that aren't even plugged to a power plant is a manufactured market push to begin hoarding electronic components before China invades Taiwan. I suspect a lot of oligarchs would be less willing to feed the AI bubble if they didn't have a post-Taiwan invasion world to compensate their investments if it doesn't work out. You think there's scarcity now, just wait until the invasion happens. China invading Taiwan is going to make China lose a lot of support, one has to wonder what they think they will get out of it.

Taiwan would not have such a big target on its back if it weren't for TSMC. TSMC should have diversified throughout the world yesterday, but because of wealth and power, Taiwan has to pay the price. The politics and arguments are gaslighting; China isn't interested in Taiwan, they are interested in controlling the market necessary for even basic modern warfare - advanced microchips. I don't know if its due to the greed that they are blind to it or perhaps they are perfectly aware of it, but attacking Taiwan will be treated as an attack against the world by many countries. It will provoke a reaction several times worse than what Russia attacking Ukraine did. By driving down their viability as a trading partner, they will make a lot of countries consider other options that are way outside of the contemporary political landscape today.

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

TSMC was developed by a Taiwanese citizen to be a "silicon shield" - it's too valuable for other countries to risk a war.

It's why trump was trying to cajole TSMC to move 50% production to the US and they were like "nah"

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It became an opportunity, and US investors and interests needed to project power around the globe and a means to tie power around the region. It has its days numbered because China is slowly becoming a more capable competitor, but China's obsession in invading it will not only it but will work towards the interests of other geopolitical powers in and outside the region.

What you claim has also gone the way of USAID when Trump came in: https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/3210 It was a soft power technique that put US interests ahead through mutual interests, but Trump doesn't believe in mutual interests, just winners and losers like most despots.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

they are interested in controlling the market necessary for even basic modern warfare - advanced microchips.

china already has the capability to produce advanced microchips themselves (it was in the news literally 3 days ago, i'm too lazy to search it out rn) and they've been heavily investing in research into microchips the last year so it makes sense they made significant progress.

on the other hand, the us is already building chip capabilities in its own country to become independent from taiwan and so taiwan doesn't have the significance internationally anymore that it used to have.

i'm even inclined to say that china waited deliberately for taiwan to lose its international status before attacking, so other countries wouldn't rush to its aid so much.

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[-] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Taiwan would not have such a big target on its back if it weren’t for TSMC.

It's the other way round. Taiwan is needed for airfields and to deny deep sea submarine bases to China. The US let Taiwan have the monopoly on advanced semiconductors to have the world defend Taiwan against China.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

That's not "the other way around", that's just why it got to where it is.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

This is a declaration of war IMO. By one old dude against the whole world order (the international laws).

[-] bigfondue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

As the US has known for some time, the international order only applies to poor countries. Like a spiders web ensnares the fly but allows the pig to tear straight through

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago

For the first time ever in my life, I see someone claiming that China is left-wing. Left and authoritarian are usually at the opposite spectrums.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

You must have .ml blocked

[-] drapermache@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That is what Animal Farm was talking about - that authoritarianism can take over any political ideology. It isn't a anti-communism book, but anti-authoritarianism.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago

Tell that to Mao and Stalin's victims.

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[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing

Uhh, citation needed? Communism by name only does not a left wing country make

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[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Taiwan is too strategically important to the United States and Taiwan two difficult an invasion target for this to happen.

It's just political posturing.

[-] randompasta@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago

West Taiwan sabre rattling.

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