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[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

When Steven Miller said that Greenlands population was “only” 30k and then didn’t say anything for a few seconds afterwards gave me a chill. Things are going to get out of hand globally soon.

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

In don't think any political analyst ever thought Greenland would be in question.

These are truly shocking times no matter how anyone saw it coming.

[-] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Venezuela is Sudetenland. Greenland is Danzig and the Polish corridor. Canada is the Elzas and France.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Venezuela is the Caucuses oil fields, which Hitler should have taken right off before starting a Western front. That lesson is not lost on these modern fascists.

Sharp call on the Polish corridor! As the Arctic warms there will be year-round shipping lanes.

Not ready for Canada yet, but it's coming.

Scariest part? The fascists are on the clock to achieve their goals before the cult leader's dementia takes him off camera. They're already struggling with unavoidable appearances, like Trump's disastrous meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan. For now, they can hide him on his bad days.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

So they really do plan on destroying the world. What the absolute fuck

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Greenland is of vast strategic importance as global warming rolls on. You can bet plenty of people saw that fact, just not us little people.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Greenland has been a political fixation of many US presidents for decades...

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Not really a fixation that's too strong of a word.

Besides Denmark let's US do whatever they want there , always have.

[-] guy@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago

A democracy reflects it's voters opinions. I'm not shocked that the Trump government would do this, but had Biden or Obama done the same, well I wouldn't believe it.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't consider the US a democracy or the state reflective of the people's will. It often acts far outside of the people's will.

The US is only a democracy for the business owning elite and its policy reflects that. I agree that someone like Obama wouldn't do this but that's exactly why Trump is in power now. The monopoly capitalists need someone like him to maintain their position of power, local and geopolitical.

Only 1/3 of Americans voted for Trump and of that 1/3 the vast majority deeply misunderstand his purpose and goals within the state.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

What's this from? And what is the definition of an interest group? Does that overlap with economic elites? In common parlance I would think it does.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

A democracy reflects it's voters opinions

The US has always been a very flawed democracy at best, though, with government policy reflecting the wants of the already rich and powerful few MUCH more often than the needs of everyone else regardless of which of only two major parties is in control.

It's just become more obvious now that the establishment-friendly mainstream media are no longer the primary source of information and one of the parties has gone full fascist and anti-competence.

[-] gray@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Bourgeois democracy isn't really democracy

[-] guy@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago

Never heard that definition before, could you define it? The official designation of the US is a federal presidential republic, a presidential democracy, no?

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Bourgeois democracy is a democracy for the business/land owning class. In the US it is largely the large business and land owners that have real economic control. They accomplish this through lobbying and control of political parties through donations and vetting candidates or becoming elected officials themselves. Most of our politicians are landlords or business owners. All of them are involved in the stock market and this makes them materially interested in maintaining the capitalist mode of production as well as imperialism. This is why popular policies amongst the working class don't get passed if they reduce profit margins for the bourgeois. Policies like universal healthcare and ending the forever wars won't happen because they harm the bourgeois which actually control the state. Housing as a right will never happen because it would harm the investments of landlords which actually control the state. This is bourgeois democracy. Its a democracy in which the bourgeois fight over how best to profit of our labor and how best to maintain that system of exploitation. Bourgeois democracy is effectively a dictatorship of the capitalist over the working class. They only let us choose which flavor of exploitation we get.

If you are open to more radical literature that can explain it to you better than I just did I recommend The State and Revolution

[-] guy@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago

Interesting. This doesn't seem to be a established concept within political science, or at least, it's the first I've heard of it. Why?

Anyway, economic power doesn't necessarily translate into political power but then again, maybe so in the US. However, the US has passed plenty of policies reducing profit margins for the rich, so it seems like this does not hold true?

I don't consider Marxism or Lenin radical and have read some, but thank you!

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

If we're talking specifically about this Venezuela coup attempt, Obama did equally bad things.

[-] guy@piefed.social -1 points 3 months ago

Can't remember when Obama bypassed congress and attacked another country, but I must confess I don't have a 1:1 timeline of Obama's presidency.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Obama literally attacked Libya without congressional authority and that's not even the only time he bypassed them. His government argued the 2001 AUMF gave him the authority to do so which is the same law Trump is using for his strikes.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I consider bombing weddings, starting the policy of drone strikes, starting the double tap policy (war crime btw), and expanding the Iraq war which led to the death of over a million Iraqis to be fucking awful. Tbh thats not even half of the awful shit he did in service of American imperialism, just the worst examples I could think of on the spot. Congressional approval of these actions doesn't make them any less bad and we shouldn't be upset with Trump for bypassing congress, we should be upset over his ceaseless murder of innocent people and violations of foreign political sovereingty. Why does the decorum of politics matter more to you than the immense violence of the American war machine?

[-] guy@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

There's no discussion of how horrendous any of that are, but that is not what I wrote about.

Congressional approval of these actions doesn’t make them any less bad and we shouldn’t be upset with Trump for bypassing congress

Good for you if you can disregard unlawful and unilateral actions of a fascist. However as I wrote, I cant see neither Biden nor Obama act in such a way and would they have, I would have been extremely surprised.

Why does the decorum of politics matter more to you than the immense violence of the American war machine?

🙄

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I swear it's every single .ml user.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Don’t worry, it’s bullshit.

[-] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 3 months ago

The crazier part is that most Europeans still have hope for that relationship

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Most European GOVERNMENTS, maybe, but I highly doubt that most European residents do.

Just because it's worse in the US doesn't mean that European countries have governments that always faithfully express the sentiment of the population.

this post was submitted on 06 Jan 2026
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