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submitted 3 months ago by MasterBlaster@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I don't usually have sufficient motivation to post much on any social media platform. This is rare for me. I am putting this out in the world in part hoping for some validation, in part hoping it sparks some kind of social action to save some semblance of privacy and dignity in this modern world.

Warning: this is long.

I just wrote an email to a recruiter withdrawing my interest in pursuing a job (it's a recruiter hired by the hiring company). I am a software engineer with decades of experience who has been unemployed for almost a year with almost no interviews. I'm hungry for paying work. Yet. I did this. Below is the email I wrote, and it is hopefully self explanatory.

I think my career might be over - especially if the kind of process I experienced is now the standard for hiring. I want nothing to do with it.

I wrote this after multiple days of trying to set up my system for the "assessment". I ended up having to install Windows 11 (I'm a Linux guy) because the assessment environment simply didn't work. I tried FireFox, disabled plugins, tried two versions of Chrome - neither would work. It apparently had to be the Google version.

I upgraded an old version of Win 10 (because Microsoft pretty much forced it). Got it to work on Firefox for Windows.

Twice, mid-way through the assessment, it reset itself to square one. I didn't try a third time. This assessment software monitored my face and would raise an alarm if I looked away. It controlled my microphone. It required full access to every aspect of the browser and had me do an alt-tab partway through this "test" in order to ensure I wasn't using any other software. Insulting. Invasive. My equipment. My home.

---- the email ----8<----

First, I appreciate your understanding and that you gave me what information you have on how this software works. Now, the hard part. My disappointment will show in the text, and it is not directed at you or your company.

I'm inclined to cease pursuing this. I feel insulted by the process in the first place, but went through it understanding that we, as job seekers, have to accept compromises we would not otherwise accept because having a job is a fundamental requirement to literally survive and provide for our children.

However, the more I'm expected to change my personal, owned equipment and software in an invasive fashion just so some stranger can have 100% surveillance on my activities in my home in order to be considered for a job interview, the more insulted I become.

Granted, I'm unusual. I've dedicated myself to protecting my electronic privacy by installing malware and advertisement blockers on my phones, computers, tablets. I use VPN. I built my own home NAS because I am uncomfortable with placing all my personal, financial, and health records into "the cloud" (and being charged for the privilege). I am teaching myself how to use AI by downloading and running models in my home lab because I don't want to give out my privacy and income to strangers.

I stopped using Windows at home years ago because I could not stand the way it was dictating to me how to run my computer and constantly seeking to part me from my money with distracting advertisements while siphoning everything about me back to their servers to better market to me. Worse, it was forcing me to buy new hardware in order to simply run the system after upgrades.

Here I am, faced with a stark choice. Debase my values for the sake of the possibility of a job with a company that apparently doesn't consider applicants worthy of dignity, or remain unemployed - possibly forced to exit the career I love if everybody is doing this - and potentially fall into poverty.

If they're doing this before they even talk to me, it tells me that as an employee I will have at minimum this same level of surveillance. Knowing this in the back of my mind will burn me out in under six months.

Unfortunately, I don't think I could live with myself if I chose the first option, so I respectfully withdraw myself from this process. I'm a professional. I expect to be treated like one. If there are companies who are serious about hiring a professional, I'm all in. Please engage me.


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[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

I see jobs with interview requirements like this occasionally. I don't bother with them. I doubt I even would have spent the time writing an email, except to convey briefly that the web page didn't work.

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Honestly I have no idea why any country outside of the USA allows that spyware they call an OS.

[-] etbe@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

This seems similar to the spammers who deliberately use bad spelling and get significant facts wrong in their scam email. They don't want someone who understands things to get to the second stage and waste their time they are trying to get dummies who will fall for it.

I think that the company in question would treat their employees badly and they don't want someone to accept a job offer and then quit when they learn how abusive the work environment is.

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

You did the right thing. We in general have to willing to inconvenience ourselves to hang on to what privacy we still have. I'm sorry the situation is so difficult for you, but I applaud your determination. To thine own self be true.

[-] lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I hear your struggle. I have been on both sides of this fence, recently. Obnoxious interview hoops to jump through and otherwise promising candidates reading verbatim from chatgpt mid interview :/

I would also feel really belittled by tracking software like that (but also probably try a VM, which I assume would get around their trackers anyway, lol).

I do agree with others, a company will get a small amount of hours from me for take home and no more. Be worth my time, earn my respect

[-] tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You were part of an unpaid behavioral study.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip -5 points 3 months ago

No, we want you on our equipment because we can't trust you to stay secure, virus and malware free. When you crack the screen or have a fan die, we want to leverage our warranties and parts to repair the equipment. We don't want to give you the keys to our repos and kingdoms to have them delivered to the nearest person adding a keylogger to a fitgirl repack.

People have actually been found off-shoring their own work to China by installing remote access clients on their work machines.

Don't get me wrong, there are asshole companies out there that want to use activity trackers to see what you're doing, most don't give a shit and track you by what you do. We don't need monitoring software to tell if you're working or that you're not vibecoding, we can tell by your actual work.

[-] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If your corporation is running windows 11, you can't be trusted to keep things malware free. If you're a corporation, you should also respect true capitalist behaviour, and if they can make a profit offshoring, what difference does it make. If, however, you provide robust, *nix based equipment, follow a disciplined SDLC, and are not a corporation, then I might a couple of highly disciplined, experienced systems analysts with a GRC and privacy focus who would love to learn more about you.

Although you do open with the fact you don't trust your people, so, probably not.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

You cannot trust your employees to be security and IT conscious. They're not trained in it. I've been in the field for over 30 years and that's one the few things you can bet on.

[-] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Kinda depends on the role. I mean, I am a GRC, privacy, and security specialist who is usually brought in to teach existing employees how to improve their security awareness, and I have been a consultant in the IT industry for over 25 years. So I usually come in not trusting the employer.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yes, I am nuanced enough to understand the security issues and respect that - on their equipment.

As for monitoring, there is a very large and prosperous market for products to do exactly that, and we are frequently told we have no right to privacy on company equipment.

The watched pot never boils. The watched employee is constantly distracted, stressed, and wondering when he will be admonished or fired for something he doesn't even know is a problem.

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

My company gave me a ThinkPad with Ubuntu preinstalled.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Yes, anyone who would like to run Fedora, Debian, or Ubuntu, I'd be glad to support. Only had one taker so far, he lasted a few months.

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