nintendo is having its PS3 moment
a comically overpriced console with few interesting exclusives made by an arrogant company high on the success of its predecessor
Don't forget that rents their old games back to you, which is why they're so against emulation.
When I got my PS3 as a gift, I thought it was beautiful in its time, but no, it's like the Switch 2 xD
Isn't the Switch 2 is cheaper in today's money than the PS3 was without a decade of inflation?
Edit: PS3 was 600€, adjusted for inflation (by some random online calculator) that's about 900 today. So yeah, the Switch 2 is about 60% as expensive as the PS3 was.
Well... while the price of the Switch 2 certainly causes sticker shock, when you adjust for inflation it's only about as expensive as the SNES was at launch... and is in fact cheaper then the NES was at launch. However, in the PS3's case when adjusted for inflation it was about 1.5 times as expensive as the SNES at launch (for the 20 gb version, the 60 gb was double).
Now adjust for wage stagnation.
I would think what you can get today from a competitor for the same price or less is much more would be much more relevant than anything that occurred 40 years ago
(yes, the NES is 40 years old)
I didn't get one because it's too expensive.
Steam deck was a little pricey but it has a backlog of games going back like 50 years, and I already have a large library. Plus the games are cheaper.
Gee could it possibly be because there's absolutely nothing compelling about the product? Everything about it is just crap.
It's overpriced for what it is, pretty much all of its features are gimmicks and do not demonstrably improve on the original, everyone knows their games are overpriced and never reduce in price, and if you breathe on it in the wrong way Nintendo will sue you for 1100 quadrillion dollars. What's not to love?
(Ex) Nintendo fan here. I've owned every Nintendo console and handheld since the NES (even the Virtual Boy!) Right after the Switch 2 announcement in April I got a Steam Deck and never looked back, and I love the thing. The list of cons for the Switch 2 is immense - the price of the hardware, the price of the software, Nintendo's extreme anti-consumer practices...in the past, Nintendo at least had cheap hardware going for it. No longer. The list of Switch 2 exclusive games, both released and announced, I'd even want to play is also minuscule. Mario Kart World (which doesn't look even remotely worth $80) and Donkey Kong Bananza are it so far. I thought it would be difficult to not be able to play new Nintendo games, but they've made it extremely easy so far. I'm good with either never playing them or playing them emulated many years from now. It's very clear that Nintendo has become just another soulless corporate game company.
The Steam Deck is the better product anyway. Got one recently and damn is it good.
Same. I was able to get like 10 long-wishlisted games for ~$100 with the Steam Winter Sale, too. Nintendo would never.
I got emulators setup so I can even play switch games on it as well.
Which switch emulator is working well for you? I still have yuzu and ryujinx on mine but games are crashing when I try to load them and stuff
I like how this article does not talk about the anti consumer practices engaged in by Nintendo, that might push some customers away from their consoles.
The average consumer does not care about this. The biggest reasons for people to not buy a Switch 2 are 1) people don't have money and 2) lack of major first-party games. I waited months until I found a MKW bundle for $450 at a black Friday sale.
Once we get the next 3D Mario or Zelda, you can bet they will sell a lot of consoles.
Also steamdeck is amazing, and a lot of people who want a handheld just chose that one
I don't think that's had much of an impact when Nintendo sold more Switch 2s at launch than Valve has manufactured Steam Decks over its entire lifespan. The Steam Deck is still an enthusiast product for a niche crowd, and will likely never be in direct competition with the big three.
It's a comparatively new product, but it's not like it's something unsuccessful. It's attached to Steam, that everyone who ever had a computer knows about, and everyone has a couple of games there, it's being talked about very positively everywhere, and they're repeatedly gained positive reputation over pro-consumer practices they regularly employ, and they somehow evading being put on blast for the child gambling industry they operate.
They're known among gamers, which is indeed niche crowd, but also a crowd that is important here. They don't have the cultural grasp on humanity as Nintendo, or other two, but all of them shitting the bed constantly and publicly, while Valve is catching wins all over the place.
The real point here is that they don't have the ability to manufacture at the scale of the big three. It literally can't be in direct competition.
steamdeck and switch 2 don't address the same audience at all imo
Since I'm one of the people who is on the fence about whether or not to pick up a Nintendo Switch 2 or to get myself an ROG Ally (I have $250 of gift cards for Target which don't sell the Steam Deck) so that I can play steam games on a handheld. I heartily disagree.
And it's Nintendo's anti-consumer policies that is making me hesitate on the Switch 2.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Steam Deck but it's an extension of Desktop build not a direct Switch competitor.
It's not a direct competitor, but they occupy the same niche while being a vastly superior product.
We're broke
Plus Nintendo anti consumer practices, fuck them for that
I’ve been having a fantastic time with mine. Kirby Air Riders is an excellent sequel to one of my favorite childhood games. Cyberpunk went on an accidental super sale and I was able to get the complete edition for $17 USD. Fortnite doesn’t run like dogshit anymore. The console feels more sturdy and premium compared to Switch 1. An extra charging port on the top makes extended tabletop play possible now.
However I’ll always welcome headlines like this because the more Nintendo struggles, the better they get. Wii Sports was incredible and everyone had it. Switch 2 Welcome Tour should have never been a paid game and none of my S2 friends own it.
LOVE this take. I’m with kinkles.
Three reasons: 1) It's too bloody expensive. 2) Most people are scared to spend money right now. 3) The USA as a global superpower, is morphing into something decidedly more sinister.
AIn't nobody got no money.
It's a Switch, but they added a "2"
$80 for Mario Kart? At that price, we've got Mario Kart at home.
In all seriousness, the Nintendo Wii was REVOLUTIONARY when it came out. It was gangbusters when it released. It was $249, which is about $400 in today's money, but for a completely original and amazing new system. The Wii U wasn't exactly as revolutionary. It was a controller with a screen that you couldn't take with you. It was a flop.
The Switch was a modern equivalent of the Wii. It was new. It was different. It was a mobile gaming console.
The Switch 2 IS THE SWITCH. There is nothing new about it to the everyday consumer mom and dad. There are no cool new features. No cool new games. It doesn't justify itself or the cost to the sticky fingered kid next door who is content with Minecraft on the original Switch. Nintendo did what an American company led by shareholders would do and continued to do more of the same and will likely blame the consumer.
$80 for Mario Kart? At that price, we’ve got Mario Kart at home.
OMG this line got me 😂.
I mean, what is even there to play that you can't play on Switch 1?
New Mario Kart? Donkey Kong whatever?
I'm sure they're good games, I just don't see someone who already owns a Switch buying a whole new system just for them
Nintendo shot themselves in the foot by aggressively going after the modding and archival communities.
They will never get another cent of my money and I own over a dozen Nintendo consoles.
It's early and there aren't a lot of heavy hitters yet. But for me, Kirby Air Riders alone was well worth it, I waited 22 years for this sequel and it delivered.
Man that game is tempting me to try to find a switch 2. I really want to play it but that's such s hefty price.
The Switch 2 is the first console I've just outright skipped in... well... years now. I guess since the Wii U?
Just every piece of news about it as it was coming out made it sound less and less appealing...
$70 games (that never get discounted because Nintendo.)
Games aren't "games", they're download keys.
Special SD cards that are more expensive.
Microphone support requires a subscription after 1 year.
Charging $10 for a hardware demo that should be included, like Desk Job on the Steam Deck.
And, like you say, the remote detonation option, which is burning legitimate players:
https://www.gadgetmatch.com/nintendo-switch-2-lawsuit-bricked-consoles/
Generally with new hardware it's "Hey, what's not to like?"
With the Switch 2 it's more "What is there to like?"
Yep, Switch 1 was much more interesting, and I still skipped it in favour of PC / Steam Deck.
Too expensive, too enshittified for me to consider. All they had to do was not fuck this up and they would've had a guaranteed sale but I don't ever see myself spending a cent on Nintendo ever again.
The Wii made me absolutely rage because those consoles were region locked, preventing me from playing titles I had imported from other countries that weren't published by Nintendo north America. I never spent money on Nintendo products after that. The rest of my family was still happy with Nintendo, and they have continued to purchase their consoles. I finally got my wife invested in PC gaming 2 years ago, and it warmed my bitter heart to hear she wanted a steam deck instead of the switch 2.
That was always the case for Nintendo's home consoles, not like it was a new thing that started with the Wii. Switch was the first one to be region-free.
This was not the case for Nintendo consoles in the past. I imported plenty of NES, SNES, GC, GB, GBA, and DS carts that were published in Asia/Europe, but not published in the Americas, and had no issues playing them until the Wii. Those consoles I just mentioned were all region free.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't region locking on the NES and SNES largely implemented via the shape of the cartridge? Frank Cifaldi and the VGHF just put out that NES history video, and it had some kind of authentication chip that could only be provided by Nintendo, and it was in the NES but not the Famicom. And on Gamecube, I seem to remember you needed an Action Replay to break the region locking, but I never dabbled in it myself.
I doubt the ability to brick your console remotely played too large of a part in this. It's far more likely the asking price combined with the general economic situation for the average consumer, combined with a worse screen and a lesser launch offering of titles. For my own biases, when you see how consoles have required online subscriptions and how your old games don't automatically run at higher settings when you buy the new machine, I wonder how much more gas in the tank consoles even have without some fundamental transformation.
I hope they struggle the company underground.
The unwashed console plebs can join the gamers with the Steam Machine/Deck and see what gaming is supposed to be like.
There's still shitty stuff happening, but you're a lot less beholden to specific companies over here.
you're a lot less beholden to specific companies over here.
There’s only two CPU companies that often inflate their prices. There’s 3 but really only 2 GPU companies that also often inflate prices.
Let’s not talk about RAM.
Also, don’t forget the multiple price fixing lawsuits that got a lot of attention.
You might not like consoles but the PC world is more overpriced and just as predatory as the console market. It’s just businesses being greedy.
Right, but again, you have choices in almost every piece of hardware.
Consoles lock you down a lot harder in this respect. You either but their hardware and possibly software, or you miss out on the whole thing.
And a lot of people, like a sibling of mine is just getting to the point of maturity where you figure out the brand you like is the bad guy and you don't want to give them money anymore, but you sorely miss the product itself.
Given how hard they're locked in, it's really hard for them to jump to a new platform. Not quite as bad as switching from Android to or from iPhone, but not super far off.
Personally I jumped out completely before I got invested in a digital console store, so I didn't have that problem. But the point is that they gotta completely start a new collection and paradigm.
Whereas if you one day have a huge problem with let's say, Steam, you can just opt to never buy from them again without losing access to your library, no matter what hardware you're running it on.
You can choose to never buy an Acer monitor, CoolerMaster PSU, or (insert other random examples) while still having a computer.
I mean it's impossible to really find "good" companies, but you can at least pick your lines in the sand with a lot more granularity than just consoles.
It's not perfect, but is still better than the big 3.
Plus no matter where you land with your choices, you will still have the same library.
I had every console. PS5, X-Box, Steam Deck, and Switch OLED. . . Guess which one I got rid of?
All but the steamdeck, because there's no console exclusives any more and the switch can be emulated?
They haven't had a crossover hit yet. The Switch had at least 2. Breath of the Wild on Launch and Animal Crossing during COVID. Hoping Star Fox get's a major Breath of the Wild type jump for the series and maybe a new IP. Metroid would be good to have a new sub-series that changes up the formula for 3D adventure. Hopefully a new IP too
Yeah it's kind of a thing where the switch benefited from the failure of the Wii U while the Switch 2 is being hurt by the success of the Switch.
BOTW was available on the Wii U, but since so few people had one of those, it made sense to get a Switch to play it.
With the Switch 2 I feel like "Meh, I already have a Switch it doesn't seem like it's offering much more than what I already have". Also it's larger and when I want to use the Swtich hand held (mostly just when I'm on a plane) seems like that might be a pain in the ass. Also with the Switch 1 they eventually came out with a better OLED model, so I'll just keep playing the Switch 1 until they come out with something a little more compact and maybe with a better screen or whatever. Stick drift has been an issue for me so also want something with more reliable sticks.
Seems like I might be asking a lot, but for the price they're asking if I'm not getting what I want, then I'll stick with the Switch 1. It's fine.
The price doesn't turn me off. But I'm very happy with my Steam Deck OLED. If Nintendo ever releases an OLED version, I'll consider it for the Nintendo exclusives, but right now there isn't a compelling reason. I barely pick up my Switch 1 anymore.
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